Coronavirus Plans
03-06-2020, 07:36 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
Actually on the manufacture website, Sani-Com - Celeste Industries Corporation, the msds claims 20 to 24% ethanol per package. That include the textile towelette in the equation.
On the technical sheet it claims, "Kills 99.999% of bacteria, within 15 seconds, when used as a hand sanitizer."
Normally in a micro lab, to confirm an effective biocide, it is challenge tested against different bacterium and organisms. High concentration EtOH has been proven to be a very effective biocide in many studies. Note that it requires a high contraction of ethanol.
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On the technical sheet it claims, "Kills 99.999% of bacteria, within 15 seconds, when used as a hand sanitizer."
Normally in a micro lab, to confirm an effective biocide, it is challenge tested against different bacterium and organisms. High concentration EtOH has been proven to be a very effective biocide in many studies. Note that it requires a high contraction of ethanol.
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but I don’t know if sani wipe is generic name.
03-06-2020, 08:22 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by captive apple
I’m pretty sure that ethanol in sani wipes is used as a soluble liquid for the actual killing agent.
but I don’t know if sani wipe is generic name.
but I don’t know if sani wipe is generic name.
The msds (material safety data sheet) is linked below and ethanol is the only chemical listed. There is no other "killing anent".
http://www.celestecorp.com/uploads/3/7/7/2/37724857/sani-com_-_ms14_rev15__2017-04-28_.pdf
Some wipes may have benzalkonium chloride. Don't get me started on those 🙃. Ethanol would not be formulated with benzalkonium chloride (bzk). Sometimes isopropyl alcohol is formulated with Alkyl C12-18 Dimethyl benzyl Ammonium chloride and Alkyl C12-18 Dimethyl Ethylbenzyl Ammonium chloride and very effective. If your really worried about sanitizing your flight deck find those from a medical supply company, if you can right now. At the end of the day there is no way your going to make a flight deck sterile and just wasting your time
I would not used the Clorox ones that contain bleach in the flight deck.
As far as "killing agents in soaps and other products, see the following technical paper from the FDA. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/antibacterial-soap-you-can-skip-it-use-plain-soap-and-water
Wash your hands with soap and water, don't touch your face, stay out of work if your ill, especially if you have a fever.
03-06-2020, 09:33 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by Burt123
They didn’t share the pain with the other “media plagues” in the past.
03-06-2020, 02:31 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
Even the President has stopped calling this a "hoax"; governments around the world are very concerned about the spread of this virus. My hunch is it's not because it is a "media plague."
03-06-2020, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
The WHO just issued this....
https://www.who.int/ith/mode_of_travel/tcd_aircraft/en/
The quality of aircraft cabin air is carefully controlled. Ventilation rates provide a total change of air 20–30 times per hour. Most modern aircraft have recirculation systems, which recycle up to 50% of cabin air. The recirculated air is usually passed through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, of the type used in hospital operating theatres and intensive care units, which trap dust particles, bacteria, fungi and viruses.
Transmission of infection may occur between passengers who are seated in the same area of an aircraft, usually as a result of the infected individual coughing or sneezing or by touch (direct contact or contact with the same parts of the aircraft cabin and furnishings that other passengers touch). This is no different from any other situation in which people are close to each other, such as on a train or bus or in a theatre. Highly contagious conditions, such as influenza, are more likely to be spread to other passengers in situations where the aircraft ventilation system is not operating. An auxiliary power unit is normally used to provide ventilation when the aircraft is on the ground, before the main engines are started, but occasionally this is not operated for environmental (noise) or technical reasons. In such cases, when associated with a prolonged delay, passengers may be temporarily disembarked.
Transmission of tuberculosis (TB) on board commercial aircraft during long-haul flights was reported during the 1980s, but no case of active TB disease resulting from exposure on board has been identified subsequently. Nevertheless, increasing air travel and the emergence of drug-resistant TB require continuing vigilance to avoid the spread of infection during air travel. Further information on TB and air travel may be found in the 2008 edition of the WHO publication Tuberculosis and air travel: guidelines for prevention and control.
During the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003, the risk of transmission of the disease in aircraft was found to be very low.
To minimize the risk of passing on infections, travellers who are unwell, particularly if they have a fever, should delay their journey until they have recovered. Individuals with a known active communicable disease should not travel by air. Airlines may deny boarding to passengers who appear to be infected with a communicable disease.
https://www.who.int/ith/mode_of_travel/tcd_aircraft/en/
Transmission of communicable diseases on aircraft
Research has shown that there is very little risk of any communicable disease being transmitted on board an aircraft.The quality of aircraft cabin air is carefully controlled. Ventilation rates provide a total change of air 20–30 times per hour. Most modern aircraft have recirculation systems, which recycle up to 50% of cabin air. The recirculated air is usually passed through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, of the type used in hospital operating theatres and intensive care units, which trap dust particles, bacteria, fungi and viruses.
Transmission of infection may occur between passengers who are seated in the same area of an aircraft, usually as a result of the infected individual coughing or sneezing or by touch (direct contact or contact with the same parts of the aircraft cabin and furnishings that other passengers touch). This is no different from any other situation in which people are close to each other, such as on a train or bus or in a theatre. Highly contagious conditions, such as influenza, are more likely to be spread to other passengers in situations where the aircraft ventilation system is not operating. An auxiliary power unit is normally used to provide ventilation when the aircraft is on the ground, before the main engines are started, but occasionally this is not operated for environmental (noise) or technical reasons. In such cases, when associated with a prolonged delay, passengers may be temporarily disembarked.
Transmission of tuberculosis (TB) on board commercial aircraft during long-haul flights was reported during the 1980s, but no case of active TB disease resulting from exposure on board has been identified subsequently. Nevertheless, increasing air travel and the emergence of drug-resistant TB require continuing vigilance to avoid the spread of infection during air travel. Further information on TB and air travel may be found in the 2008 edition of the WHO publication Tuberculosis and air travel: guidelines for prevention and control.
During the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003, the risk of transmission of the disease in aircraft was found to be very low.
To minimize the risk of passing on infections, travellers who are unwell, particularly if they have a fever, should delay their journey until they have recovered. Individuals with a known active communicable disease should not travel by air. Airlines may deny boarding to passengers who appear to be infected with a communicable disease.
Lol I bet the same HEPA filter is in there from 1992 when the plane came on the line.
As for cabin air, don’t forget it’s really dry which is not good for any virus.
20-30 per hour of the air being reppaces comes to once every 2-3 minutes which i would say is pretty safe.
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03-07-2020, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruno82
At what point is it ok for someone to be concerned? Is there an infection or mortality threshold?
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03-07-2020, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruno82
At what point is it ok for someone to be concerned? Is there an infection or mortality threshold?
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=022420
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf
462 people around the world died of COVID-19 the week of 23-29 February.
That same week, 2000 Americans died of influenza.
It isn't a pure apples-to-apples comparison; flu spreads faster than COVID even though COVID has a slightly higher R0 number, those infected with flu but not yet symptomatic are major spreaders of flu while that has not yet been proven for COVID, there are antivirals and a vaccine for influenza that there aren't for COVID, and unlike influenza children do not seem to experience serious/severe disease from COVID.
Wash your hands regularly and if you're sick (especially feverish!), stay home.
03-07-2020, 04:56 AM
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I’m not too concerned that I’ll die or have any lasting complications, but I am quite concerned for my older family and friends. I know a few of them that have a very good chance of expiring if they get it. Just yesterday it was discovered in our city.
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03-07-2020, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Some light reading for you...
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=022420
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf
462 people around the world died of COVID-19 the week of 23-29 February.
That same week, 2000 Americans died of influenza.
It isn't a pure apples-to-apples comparison; flu spreads faster than COVID even though COVID has a slightly higher R0 number, those infected with flu but not yet symptomatic are major spreaders of flu while that has not yet been proven for COVID, there are antivirals and a vaccine for influenza that there aren't for COVID, and unlike influenza children do not seem to experience serious/severe disease from COVID.
Wash your hands regularly and if you're sick (especially feverish!), stay home.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=022420
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf
462 people around the world died of COVID-19 the week of 23-29 February.
That same week, 2000 Americans died of influenza.
It isn't a pure apples-to-apples comparison; flu spreads faster than COVID even though COVID has a slightly higher R0 number, those infected with flu but not yet symptomatic are major spreaders of flu while that has not yet been proven for COVID, there are antivirals and a vaccine for influenza that there aren't for COVID, and unlike influenza children do not seem to experience serious/severe disease from COVID.
Wash your hands regularly and if you're sick (especially feverish!), stay home.
You opt in by not getting the flu shot. So people who want to worry (or are at risk of serious complications) get the shot and then put it out of their mind.
With wuflu, that's not an option just yet. My elderly parents need the flu shot and get it religiously, but I'm staying away from them for a while since I fly mostly on the west coast.
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