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Poll: Furlough Options
04-21-2020, 03:42 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Now with all that said, I think people who pick up OT while people are on the street are scum, but nothing you can do about if it's in the contract. At least until the BK judge gets done with it.
04-21-2020, 03:46 PM
#12
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Posts: 692
Originally Posted by pad39a
What about a regional FO with a family still trying to pay off his/her instrument rating? (Assuming someone that “fresh” made the cut.) Is that still considered scummy? First rodeo, honest question.
04-21-2020, 03:56 PM
#14
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by pad39a
What about a regional FO with a family still trying to pay off his/her instrument rating? (Assuming someone that “fresh” made the cut.) Is that still considered scummy? First rodeo, honest question.
No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.
04-21-2020, 04:02 PM
#15
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Posts: 344
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
For every 75 hours of OT picked up on a regular basis, the company could justify not bring back a furloughed pilot. So, yeah, still scummy.
No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.
No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?
04-21-2020, 04:03 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
For every 75 hours of OT picked up on a regular basis, the company could justify not bring back a furloughed pilot. So, yeah, still scummy.
No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.
No one furloughed? I wouldn't call that scummy.
04-21-2020, 04:07 PM
#17
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Posts: 537
Originally Posted by herewego
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?
04-21-2020, 04:18 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by herewego
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?
What if you picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off, instead of from company open time? Scummy or not scummy?
I’d image if any pilot group agrees to a lower min G they would tie it to a date or metric for snap back.
04-21-2020, 04:21 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 472
Full pay to the last d. And im junior AF.
A couple of reasons:
Neuters the capacity for the company to water the Ts&Cs down.
Rip it off quickly allows people to move on. This is analagous witht eh underemployment debate that rages when unemployment figures are analysed.
Finally I would suggest there is a level.of discomfort for the company when it throws newly minted piots to the streets bonus and all. They effectively become free agents and help drive positive change in the free market.
Where energy really needs to be placed is in the furlough procedures and protocol. Is it merit based? Or is it puerly based of seniority? Point being it needs to be leant into...not picking up open time etc.
A couple of reasons:
Neuters the capacity for the company to water the Ts&Cs down.
Rip it off quickly allows people to move on. This is analagous witht eh underemployment debate that rages when unemployment figures are analysed.
Finally I would suggest there is a level.of discomfort for the company when it throws newly minted piots to the streets bonus and all. They effectively become free agents and help drive positive change in the free market.
Where energy really needs to be placed is in the furlough procedures and protocol. Is it merit based? Or is it puerly based of seniority? Point being it needs to be leant into...not picking up open time etc.
04-21-2020, 04:24 PM
#20
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by herewego
So if they lowered the Minimum monthly Guarantee from 75 to 50 and didn't furlow anyone and you picked up open time would that be scummy or not scummy?
I'm actually going to agree with captive on this one and lean toward not scummy, assuming there's a snapback. Someone take a note.
Originally Posted by herewego
picked up open time from another crewmember who needed the day off
Listen, there's being a dick pilot, and then there's being a straight dick. If there are pilots at a company sitting on the sidelines due to a furlough, and someone at the company is picking up open time, then that someone is helping the company keep furloughed pilots furloughed. That's squarely in the straight dick range.
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