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Old 05-01-2020, 03:16 PM
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no one here cares.
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Same reason I hate requirements to need a driver's license or pilot certificate. Government shouldn't be controlling what I do.
I think I have seen 3 or 4 references in the past few months about people flying without a license ... I'm sure there are many more doing it that I haven't read about. Skarew it and just do what you want.

Of course, the ones I read about were fatal accidents ... with innocents involved with a few.
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post any source that backs up your statement. otherwise, no one here cares about your feelings.
I already have and my comments aren’t based on my feelings, unlike your’s, but based on formal education in said subject matter, again unlike your posts.
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I already have and my comments aren’t based on my feelings, unlike your’s, but based on formal education in said subject matter, again unlike your posts.
I've posted sources several times. You've posted none. You cant because your argument is entirely based on emotions. You reason in the same way a child does when confronted with a fact they dont like.

You're also not the only one with a history degree bud, but given your level of ignorance and inability to provide literally any source which supports your position, relying entirely on your feelings instead, your "formal education" doesn't mean a thing. If you actually studied history, you'd know the importance of building a position on reliable sources. It's also laughable that you think a history undergraduate degree makes you an "expert".
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:29 AM
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I've posted sources several times.​​​
Since when is Wikipedia a reliable source? That’s the first thing anyone learns in college.
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You've posted none.​​​
You’re a liar, I’ve stated where my sources come from. In the event you didn’t read the post I have a major in history and a minor in political science. Additionally I’ve studied both as a hobby long before and after taking academic courses in the aforementioned subjects.
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You cant because your argument is entirely based on emotions.​​​
That’s also a lie. My argument is based entirely on facts that I learned studying the subjects both academically and as a hobby. You don’t like the aforementioned facts so you’re making ad hominem attacks and attacking the poster. But that is expected from people of your political ideology.
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You reason in the same way a child does when confronted with a fact they dont like.​​​
So now you’re a child psychologist? Please, tell me what other subjects you’re a self proclaimed expert in. No, I presented facts that you don’t like.
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You're also not the only one with a history degree bud,​​​
​​​​​​​First, it’s a business and history double major and an economics and political science double minor. Secondly, I’m not your bud nor will you ever be my bud. Third, what’s your degree in? I don’t see you posting anything that’s taught in academia so I assume you’re not formally educated in history and political science.
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but given your level of ignorance​​​
​​​​​​​Yet another ad hominem attack! It’s apparent you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you knew your history you’d know fascism was founded by Giovanni Gentile, who was mentored by Karl Marx. That alone should tell anyone with an IQ above zero something! Gentile was a well known socialist who wanted to appeal to people on their class, like socialism, as well as their nationalist identity. In smaller words fascists are socialists with a nationalist identity. People of your political ideology don’t like to acknowledge that conservatism wants small governments, unlike socialists, communists, and fascists. The further to the right you go the smaller the government, so a far-right government would resemble anarchy, not fascism.
This picture basically sums it up:
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and inability to provide literally any source which supports your position,​​​
​​​​​​​I’ve posted my sources, they’re things I’ve studied extensively for my history major and political minor, as well as for a hobby.
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relying entirely on your feelings instead,​​​
​​​​​​​Just because you keep repeating the same lie doesn’t make it true. This is a play people of your political ideology make, not people of my political ideology.
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your "formal education" doesn't mean a thing.​​​
​​​​​​​Again, you make another ad hominem attack. You don’t like what I’m saying so you attack me and my education. I think what you are saying is because I made it through college without becoming a liberal I must not have learned anything. I’m still waiting to hear what your formal education is in. It obviously isn’t history or political science, that much I can ascertain from your posts and the sources you use.
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If you actually studied history, you'd know the importance of building a position on reliable sources.​​​
​​​​​​​It’s not if I actually studied history, I did study history, among other things. I’ve built my position on things learned studying history and politics both academically and as a hobby. If you actually studied history you’d know that the vast majority of history, and all social sciences, are progressive and shun those who aren’t.
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It's also laughable that you think a history undergraduate degree makes you an "expert".​​​
​​​​​​​I’ve never claimed it makes me an expert. But given the garbage you keep spewing its obvious you’re not.
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Old 05-02-2020, 06:57 AM
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weird how you didn’t answer this
This is APC. Where fascism is left wing.

Everything is opposite.

Like that Star Trek episode with Spock's goatee.
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Old 05-02-2020, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
This is APC. Where fascism is left wing.=12pt
Fascism is left wing. It was started by a known socialist who wanted to appeal to people based on their class, as is the case in socialism, and their national identity. In smaller words fascists are socialists with a nationalist identity. The ideology of conservatism wants small governments, unlike socialists, communists, and fascists. The further to the right you go the smaller the government, so a far-right government would resemble anarchy, not fascism
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Yet another ad hominem attack! It’s apparent you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you knew your history you’d know fascism was founded by Giovanni Gentile, who was mentored by Karl Marx. That alone should tell anyone with an IQ above zero something! Gentile was a well known socialist who wanted to appeal to people on their class, like socialism, as well as their nationalist identity. In smaller words fascists are socialists with a nationalist identity
This line here says it all and those that actually choose to learn about the history of it will come to this same conclusion. The main issue is that most scholars clearly fall on the "left" leaning side of the spectrum and have muddied the water so much in order to conceal this very fact.

I wouldn't try and argue much more of this though as you are liable to get banned or outright harassed by for it.
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
This line here says it all and those that actually choose to learn about the history of it will come to this same conclusion. The main issue is that most scholars clearly fall on the "left" leaning side of the spectrum and have muddied the water so much in order to conceal this very fact.

I wouldn't try and argue much more of this though as you are liable to get banned or outright harassed by for it.
Indeed, thank you! I agree that the issue is the political ideology of scholars. They tend to be biased in their teachings and attempt to essentially rewrite history to fit their narrative. This is especially prevalent in social sciences.
I understand, thanks! I'm not trying to get banned, and I have gotten harassed for what I've said.
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Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post
Since when is Wikipedia a reliable source? That’s the first thing anyone learns in college.

Wikipedia is helpful for general reference. If you noticed, I also posted sources from history.com. Have you cited a single source? Nope, just posted a silly picture that looks as if it was made by a middle schooler.


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You’re a liar, I’ve stated where my sources come from. In the event you didn’t read the post I have a major in history and a minor in political science. Additionally I’ve studied both as a hobby long before and after taking academic courses in the aforementioned subjects.

That’s also a lie. My argument is based entirely on facts that I learned studying the subjects both academically and as a hobby. You don’t like the aforementioned facts so you’re making ad hominem attacks and attacking the poster. But that is expected from people of your political ideology.
Hmm, whine about ad hominem attacks, and you call me a liar? Everything I've stated can be sourced. You are talking out of your ass.
And good for you, I have a degree in history from a prestigious university and also enjoy reading about history, so I do have a formal education in history. Does that make me special too?
Also, saying "I have a history degree" does not give any legitimacy to your arguments if you don't provide a source. Have any academic, credible sources that you can enlighten us with? Yea, didn't think so.

Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post
​​​​​​​Yet another ad hominem attack! It’s apparent you don’t know what you’re talking about. If you knew your history you’d know fascism was founded by Giovanni Gentile, who was mentored by Karl Marx. That alone should tell anyone with an IQ above zero something! Gentile was a well known socialist who wanted to appeal to people on their class, like socialism, as well as their nationalist identity. In smaller words fascists are socialists with a nationalist identity. People of your political ideology don’t like to acknowledge that conservatism wants small governments, unlike socialists, communists, and fascists. The further to the right you go the smaller the government, so a far-right government would resemble anarchy, not fascism.​​​​​​​
It seems like you are conflating the principle of authoritarianism with fascism. Fascism is a kind of authoritarianism, but not all authoritarianism is fascism.

Additionally, saying Gentile was "mentored" by Marx just isn't true. Gentile was 8 years old when Marx died. He was certainly influenced by Marx's writing, as were numerous politicians (including Abraham Lincoln who corresponded with Marx), but using the term "mentored" is dishonest and untrue.

Also, what is my political ideology? Because I disagree with your deluded view of history, that makes me politically biased?

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This picture basically sums it up:
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This "true" political spectrum is laughable, and was obviously produced by someone with an agenda. Don't you remember, Mr. History expert, that a good scholar is skeptical of their sources?

Here's an accurate representation of the political map:

As you can see, there is right wing authoritarianism, and right wing libertarianism. You seem to be conflating libertarian conservatism with "right wing." That silly picture you posted doesn't really represent the full political dimensions. You're obviously politically driven and arguing with an agenda in mind, which explains why you have to misrepresent facts and can't find any credible sources to support your position.

Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post
​​​​​​​​​​​​​​It’s not if I actually studied history, I did study history, among other things. I’ve built my position on things learned studying history and politics both academically and as a hobby. If you actually studied history you’d know that the vast majority of history, and all social sciences, are progressive and shun those who aren’t.​​​​​​​
So you appeal to your formal education as a scholar of history, but renounce professional scholars because of supposed political biases?

Interesting how those who spend their professional careers studying these things, who have spent more time looking at the facts and reading primary sources than you or I, "can't be trusted" because they're biased. Everyone has political biases, including you. An adult recognizes that reasonable people can disagree, while a child simply screams "you're a liar!"

You're delusional and not worth debating. Instead of talking facts, you've got your panties in a bunch and resort to personal attacks.

Still waiting on a single credible source that supports your position. I think I'll be waiting forever, because you won't be able to find one.

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​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​Just because you keep repeating the same lie doesn’t make it true.
You should take your own advice, bud.
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