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Old 05-05-2020 | 04:03 AM
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I should also note that While I don’t buy this info 100%, I think anyone saying which airlines will survive and which won’t is comical, and the guys throwing Piedmont under the bus are signaling they would eat their future coworkers to survive.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by point80
Honestly it is most likely to merge Piedmont and Envoy. They both fly the 145s so integration wont be hard. A little bit tricker with PSA. Also, PSA and Envoy have bad blood, or so im told. Piedmont also only has 600-700 pilots. Where PSA and Envoy each have over 2,000.

ALPA to ALPA merges are easy too. Because its all based on hire date regardless of company. Unlike two different unions merging.

Merging also saves money because instead of 2-3 different recruiting centers, training teams, management, and union reps, you only have one.

After that they will furlough junior pilots as one or two big groups. Instead of 3.

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Not basing this on any reports just what makes the most sense.
so like he said merge then furlough.
Your statement that ALPA mergers are based on hire date is utterly incorrect. DOH is rarely used in a ALPA merger and is not ALPA policy.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
I should also note that While I don’t buy this info 100%, I think anyone saying which airlines will survive and which won’t is comical, and the guys throwing Piedmont under the bus are signaling they would eat their future coworkers to survive.
It’s not personal. Everyone is eating everyone else, trying to make themselves feel better during this uncertainty. It’s a coping mechanism. Everyone wants to keep their living, so they’ll rationalize any way for that to be true.

It isn’t a situation we can control, or even put a stop to, because it’s a virus. It doesn’t think. It can’t reason. We just have to wait for science to catch up.

Senior guys will eat junior guys. Contractors are eating WOs. Majors are eating regionals. ULCCs are eating majors.

It’s all just a bunch of flailing while we sit and wait for numbers to become actionable. Then we will know stuff. Right now we don’t.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sanicom3205
the guys throwing Piedmont under the bus are signaling they would eat their future coworkers to survive.
Assuming that were my goal (it’s not) I cannot imagine who would receive such a signal or how one pilot group’s opinions would matter.

As for future coworkers... open question whether the flow survives.

And there’s a case to be made for closing PSA. Messy SAP, extra orphan fleet type, grow piedmont and envoy to fill the gap.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mm1989
Love how the Internet warriors are signing my furlough notice and shutting down my airline.
Yep, and you got the usual suspects doing it. Could you imagine sharing a cockpit with them?
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Old 05-05-2020 | 06:32 AM
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Assuming that were my goal (it’s not) I cannot imagine who would receive such a signal or how one pilot group’s opinions would matter.

As for future coworkers... open question whether the flow survives.

And there’s a case to be made for closing PSA. Messy SAP, extra orphan fleet type, grow piedmont and envoy to fill the gap.

Gotta have at least two for whipsaw, but some would say three (much harder for three groups to unify, always likely that an opportunist will screw the others).

AS gets away with QX and OO, but only one of those is a WO.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 07:36 AM
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The independent regionals will provide plenty of whip and nene to boot.

And whipsaw is only relevant when you’re trying to push hamburger over steak. When 10 people are fighting over one pb&j, you just sit back
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Old 05-05-2020 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
And there’s a case to be made for closing PSA. Messy SAP, extra orphan fleet type, grow piedmont and envoy to fill the gap.
Yup, that sounds about right. They should def close PSA.

Mods please close this thread. Discussion over.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
grow piedmont and envoy to fill the gap.
I dunno... there might not be enough chalkboards at PDT HQ to manage the additional planes and pilots.
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Old 05-05-2020 | 08:42 AM
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No way AA will get rid of the WOs right now. They need 3 to whip saw against in the Chapter 11 reorganization. Also, i don't see some of the independent FFD carriers making it out alive.
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