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Old 06-17-2020 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
100% agree. Working here until I can collect my pension and then back to Texas.
Please leave California behind when you come to Texas.
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Old 06-17-2020 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Please leave California behind when you come to Texas.
I am born and bred Texas for over 30 years of my life. I consider this a short stop in California. I am actively trying to bring Texas to California.
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Old 06-17-2020 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneStar32
They fall for the dangling carrot routine.
They don't sound very useful then.
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Old 06-17-2020 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
I am born and bred Texas for over 30 years of my life. I consider this a short stop in California. I am actively trying to bring Texas to California.
It’s a lost cause. Time to come home and help us hold down the fort from those Californians fleeing California and trying to bring it with them.
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Old 06-17-2020 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
I am born and bred Texas for over 30 years of my life. I consider this a short stop in California. I am actively trying to bring Texas to California.


I've been trying as well, sadly doesn't seem to have had much of an effect...
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Old 06-17-2020 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rightup
Why do you think there was a “““shortage”””? Spend tens of thousands of dollars and spend half the month in a hotel/crash pad to make what an ASSISTANT manager at a big box retailer does as an RJ captain (store managers smoke the regionals in pay)? Say what you want about millennials, but they realized what a joke that was which forced regionals to pay better wages. We’ll see how the dust settles of the next yearish in regards to the labor market.
This is a fair argument, get rid of sign on bonus you get rid of career changers. Then all your egg are in these young Gen Z kids. Cue in regional sponsored zero to hero programs or *gasp* pay for training jobs. The whipsaw continues.
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Old 06-17-2020 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by simscott
Crazy that starting fire fighter pay in Texas is mid $50’s, for 6 months of training. Yet a few years, numerous check rides and a $70k debt later you’re lucky to get a $45k a year regional job.

The sign on bonus may be a thing of the past but if they eliminate it they will discourage many career changer that just can’t afford the pay cut. And let’s be honest, during the last few good years the majority of new hires were career changers 35-50 year olds.
Yeah but... They make you run into burning buildings...

By contrast, the biggest threat on a 4 day is spilling coffee on my one pilot shirt on the van to the overnight on Day 1...
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Old 06-18-2020 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by simscott
Crazy that starting fire fighter pay in Texas is mid $50’s, for 6 months of training. Yet a few years, numerous check rides and a $70k debt later you’re lucky to get a $45k a year regional job.

The sign on bonus may be a thing of the past but if they eliminate it they will discourage many career changer that just can’t afford the pay cut. And let’s be honest, during the last few good years the majority of new hires were career changers 35-50 year olds.
That's how supply and demand labor markets work. Now we need pilots to change careers to bring things back in balance. We'll see what happens in October but assuming no furloughs is fairly illogical a priori.

Things will improve but your base case assumption should be a long slog. Hopefully we can hold the line and avoid a tidal wave of consessions. But to expect any gains for the next 2-3 years is extremely unrealistic.

The only way we got where we are today was the pipeline virtually stopping for at least half a decade.
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Old 06-18-2020 | 08:38 AM
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Thanks for the replies guys. I’m going to give it until October 1 at least to see how the industry goes. Hopefully no layoffs for any of you guys, but if massive layoffs occur I see myself pushing back starting for a year since all the furloughed pilots would have to be brought back over time.
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Old 06-18-2020 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
Honesty here in California. Easily yes to both with a pension. I cleared well over $100,000 my second year as a firefighter/paramedic and most our captains make $300,000 with OT. That’s with out gaming the system.

All of our pay is public info at transparent California.com. Look at various fire depts to see what many guys doing this make. It was the number factor that made me switch from airlines to this career, and of course stability.
I'm glad to hear this. Nothing against us pilots, but while it doesn't require nearly as much financial investment, being a firefighter is far more dangerous, more difficult, and and more important than being an airline pilot. Compensation rarely has anything to do with how important a job is, but I'm glad to hear the firefighters there are being compensated as well as we are. You guys deserve it.
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