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Old 09-08-2020 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Looked it up. 31 years old. Still as true today as it was then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9tMbDnBN8M
Got a little choked up. Some Rhapsody in Blue stuck in my throat...
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Old 09-08-2020 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stinger6
Got a little choked up. Some Rhapsody in Blue stuck in my throat...
That's a cool video. Definitely makes me sad as well, but hopefully there is some foretelling there.
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Old 09-08-2020 | 06:01 PM
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I am sorry but I don't buy anymore any emotion to a commercial like that. Flying companies are just a business and pilots just numbers. Business is the name of the game and profit the end goal. Covid-19 is beyond our control and I don't play any blame game but at the same time the frenetic and insane prosperity was and did eventually blew up. It's just another cycle, economical, but that has nothing to do with any noble cause of sincerity or passion for aviation. It's just business. Sorry but not trying to be bitter.
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Old 09-09-2020 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BarbaPapa
Covid-19 is beyond our control
Maybe but the overreaction of the government and media that killed the US economy in the process was not beyond control.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 06:26 AM
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There is no doubt that this virus will be a career ending virus for many. Airlines will not add new people to its ranks or will add few for the next 4 years. Those that remain will fly longer hours for less pay.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Maybe but the overreaction of the government and media that killed the US economy in the process was not beyond control.
The general public were willing accomplices in that, personally I gave them more credit than was apparently due.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy727
There is no doubt that this virus will be a career ending virus for many. Airlines will not add new people to its ranks or will add few for the next 4 years. Those that remain will fly longer hours for less pay.

Sorry, but nooo one has any appetite to willingly accept pay cuts other than reduced line values. I think it’s safe to say that that was learned the hard way in the 2000s and won’t happen again.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
Sorry, but nooo one has any appetite to willingly accept pay cuts other than reduced line values. I think it’s safe to say that that was learned the hard way in the 2000s and won’t happen again.
I’m not smart on the airline contracts, but I saw the following go down in a police dept contract negotiation:

Union’s attitude was that it represented current cops, not future cops. Senior cops voted to increase their pay at the expense of more junior cops. They increased top pay, but moved it down the line slightly to appease the bean counters, and cut pay for the first few years to aid with the offset.

What’s to say something similar isn’t negotiated? In a few years, most airlines won’t have any guys under three years...airline pitches a cut in year 0-3 salary, and dangles some other carrot in front of the pilots in order to get it—what do they care about guys who aren’t yet hired?
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Old 09-10-2020 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
Sorry, but nooo one has any appetite to willingly accept pay cuts other than reduced line values. I think it’s safe to say that that was learned the hard way in the 2000s and won’t happen again.
The cut won't come as a result of reduced money per hour, it will come in the form of reduced guarantee hrs, which is already happening.
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Old 09-10-2020 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy727
The cut won't come as a result of reduced money per hour, it will come in the form of reduced guarantee hrs, which is already happening.
But they didn't cut your pay! (Rates) Watch the PR machines spool up.
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