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Old 12-05-2020 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Covid isn't even a particularly bad flu season so that's a pretty low bar
280,000 people, including a dead friend from high school, would probably disagree with you.
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Old 12-05-2020 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Covid isn't even a particularly bad flu season so that's a pretty low bar
I personally agree with strata pilot.

But whether you think Covid is perception or reality, it is currently the problem. A vaccine that works or is perceived to work will fix the problem.
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Old 12-06-2020 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratapilot
280,000 people, including a dead friend from high school, would probably disagree with you.
about 4 times as many that die from a bad flu season.... except the flu season doesn’t run all year. It’s pretty much the same target audience too. The reality of it is it’s right around twice a bad as a bad flu.
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Old 12-06-2020 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
about 4 times as many that die from a bad flu season.... except the flu season doesn’t run all year. It’s pretty much the same target audience too. The reality of it is it’s right around twice a bad as a bad flu.
Once again there is more to it then just getting sick or passing away from it. The Flu doesn’t have any of the longer lasting complications nor does it rarely cause permanent damage, which for more and more people is a real thing with COVID.

I will spare everyone the long list of things that people continue to suffer with but let’s just say it isn’t a get sick, survive and done.
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Old 12-06-2020 | 07:15 PM
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Does anyone honestly believe that after 70+ years of research and development that we have a 40% effective flu shot, but in 10 months a 95% effective Rona shot?
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Old 12-06-2020 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss
Does anyone honestly believe that after 70+ years of research and development that we have a 40% effective flu shot, but in 10 months a 95% effective Rona shot?
Yes, technology is amazing. In fact, given the amount of research I’ve done I would rather have a new MRNA vaccine over previous methods.
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Old 12-06-2020 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss
Does anyone honestly believe that after 70+ years of research and development that we have a 40% effective flu shot, but in 10 months a 95% effective Rona shot?
Does anyone honestly believe that influenza and coronaviruses are equivalent? And that their respective vaccines are developed in the same way?
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Old 12-06-2020 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleJetBoss
Does anyone honestly believe that after 70+ years of research and development that we have a 40% effective flu shot, but in 10 months a 95% effective Rona shot?
Yes. Apples to oranges in terms of mutation rate.
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Old 12-07-2020 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Once again there is more to it then just getting sick or passing away from it. The Flu doesn’t have any of the longer lasting complications nor does it rarely cause permanent damage, which for more and more people is a real thing with COVID.

I will spare everyone the long list of things that people continue to suffer with but let’s just say it isn’t a get sick, survive and done.
Actually, for the very vast majority, it is get sick, get better, survive and done. I'm one of them.

some patients report lingering symptoms for a few weeks or even months after "recovering." They're called "long haulers."
The stuff you are referencing is from acute cases.... those who ended up in the ICU on ventilators. Guess what, those people often have lingering effects regardless of the injury or illness that put them there. The lungs, heart and kidneys are the most common injured organs from acute covid. Most trips to the ICU leave some lasting effect, everything from brain injuries to mobility impairments. long lasting effects is not new, just a different set of effects from a covid cause.

I've had it. It sux. It was basically just a bad cold, the difference being for a day or two in the middle you could really feel it in your chest. At it's worst you'd get winded just walking from one end of the house to the other. O2 levels dropped from 99% to 93% over 4 days then began to climb back up.

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Old 12-07-2020 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz
Does anyone honestly believe that influenza and coronaviruses are equivalent? And that their respective vaccines are developed in the same way?
airline pilot and vaccine development scientist? How do you find the time?
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