Pilot Shortage: It's Baaaaaaack...
03-04-2021, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Asia, maybe Latin America and Africa, not Europe. The pilot market in Europe always seems to be a poop-show from the pilot perspective.
03-04-2021, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am sure this is a tad hyperbolic. There are dirtbag AA captains that have been there for 30 years. You can always cherry pick.
03-05-2021, 05:24 AM
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Back to the original question. The same situation back in 2018 and 2019 will be back again. The only question is when. The baseline issues that created 18 and 19 are still here in 2021 only masked by the Covid situation. Each day, every one of us gets a day older and closer to retirement. The input from all sectors has been reduced because of the “sky is falling” predictions from those who aren’t in the know. Will new pilots start ramping up to meet the new demand curve is yet to be seen.
03-05-2021, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
fair point, just wish they added a few more filters to the guys who come over because the seniority list is turning over quickly very soon. We have no say in who flows here, as long as people realize it is purely to staff the regionals and not to “make hiring easier.”
AA acquired more pilot trash in one merger than the flow has brought in 30 years. Airways and AmWest were garbage airlines compared to AMR, with equally low hiring standards.
03-06-2021, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Fair enough when discussing that AA has a flow. I will wholeheartedly disagree that we are AA pilots day one.
Even still, I think there will need to be changes to the system to make it viable for both current and future candidates. We really need to go back to the offer from 2011 when it was 50% of every AA class, regardless of size.
This would incentivize young pilots to go to a wholly owned, move more flying to mainline and offer a meaningful, realistic path to a mainline career.
Even still, I think there will need to be changes to the system to make it viable for both current and future candidates. We really need to go back to the offer from 2011 when it was 50% of every AA class, regardless of size.
This would incentivize young pilots to go to a wholly owned, move more flying to mainline and offer a meaningful, realistic path to a mainline career.
03-06-2021, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Fair enough as to your opinion from my side as well. That said, can you explain to me then why you will never have to interview again and when your number is up you simply do a inter-departmental transfer over to the AA side then?
Why cant you just say, we are Envoy, Piedmont or PSA employees with a flow to AA? Thats what it is, nothing more. Hell, even in the new hire classes they say, "You are not at Envoy anymore".
03-06-2021, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I will do that when you explain to me why I have a different contract, a different union, different JS priority, different parts to my uniform, different pay, no common seniority etc, yet I am an AA employee? If I was an AA employee, my seniority, sick, vacation all would carry over.
Why cant you just say, we are Envoy, Piedmont or PSA employees with a flow to AA? Thats what it is, nothing more. Hell, even in the new hire classes they say, "You are not at Envoy anymore".
Why cant you just say, we are Envoy, Piedmont or PSA employees with a flow to AA? Thats what it is, nothing more. Hell, even in the new hire classes they say, "You are not at Envoy anymore".
03-06-2021, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I will do that when you explain to me why I have a different contract, a different union, different JS priority, different parts to my uniform, different pay, no common seniority etc, yet I am an AA employee? If I was an AA employee, my seniority, sick, vacation all would carry over.
Why cant you just say, we are Envoy, Piedmont or PSA employees with a flow to AA? Thats what it is, nothing more. Hell, even in the new hire classes they say, "You are not at Envoy anymore".
Why cant you just say, we are Envoy, Piedmont or PSA employees with a flow to AA? Thats what it is, nothing more. Hell, even in the new hire classes they say, "You are not at Envoy anymore".
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