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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
(Post 3301765)
They have been. That is why there are such huge retention bonuses in place at the AA WO regionals. They are trying to get their experienced captains and check airmen to stay as long as possible.
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb
(Post 3301815)
Alright boys well let’s get everyone to submit numbers and find out if it’s closer to 20 or 15k
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All that really matters is how many Captains there are, and how many FOs that can upgrade quickly.
The real number is how many line qualified Captains does each regional have. How many Captains that bid and fly the line every month. In the next 18 months, we could "half" the regionals. The problem is that when you "half" the regionals, you are taking the top half off as the majority of the hires will be captains. For easy math, let's say there is a fictions airline that has 1000 actual line captains (with medical, not on leave, and actually flying every month.) Then, in a 5 month span, they lose 200 captains (40 per month). The airline will start to park airplanes because they can not staff the flying. Thus, fewer FOs will be needed. They will do everything that they can to hire street captains and to upgrade all of the FOs that are eligible. Huge bonuses for street captains (as you see now at several carriers) will pop up, and the airlines will do everything that they can to prevent pilots from leaving (huge retention bonuses, as you see now). Then they lose another 200. Then another 200. The attrition will be faster than FO's can fly 1000 hours and upgrade to captain. Think about it. It takes at least 2 years of busy flying to really become a captain (initial training, IOE, building time, then upgrade training, OE). In the matter of 1 year, the regionals could lose +6000 captains, and at 18 months, lose closer to 10,000. Losing captains that aren't replaced means fewer flights, which means fewer FO's building time, which means fewer FO's eligible to upgrade in the future. It is a vicious cycle. If the regionals lose 10,000 pilots to the majors, they will be much smaller than 1/2 the size that they are now. They might be a 1/4 of the size. The cycle has already started, as is evident by the huge retention and street captain bonuses. |
Originally Posted by WiscoAviator
(Post 3301844)
AirWis 600
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Originally Posted by arbalist1
(Post 3301800)
PSA is about to hit 2k by itself.
PSA and PDT will be parking airplanes in the next 6 months if they can not stop their attrition and increase hiring of experienced FOs (direct entry captains). Envoy will likely be in the same boat. And they are some of the best off. |
Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
(Post 3301849)
The attrition will be faster than FO's can fly 1000 hours and upgrade to captain. Think about it. It takes at least 2 years of busy flying to really become a captain (initial training, IOE, building time, then upgrade training, OE). In the matter of 1 year, the regionals could lose +6000 captains, and at 18 months, lose closer to 10,000. Losing captains that aren't replaced means fewer flights, which means fewer FO's building time, which means fewer FO's eligible to upgrade in the future. It is a vicious cycle. . |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3301957)
that is a compelling and terrifying story. Hadn’t realized the tipping point/positive feedback loop dynamics involved
Right now I'd be inclined to NOT upgrade if I was at a regional that flew for the major carrier that I wanted to fly at. |
Originally Posted by threeighteen
(Post 3301972)
They'll start hiring FOs over captains soon to avoid this scenario.
Right now I'd be inclined to NOT upgrade if I was at a regional that flew for the major carrier that I wanted to fly at. imagine explaining to a recruiter why you have no PIC time, because a conspiracy about that very recruiters own hiring shenanigans |
YX about 2375
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LCA’s seem like they could be another linchpin that might go extinct, although that might be easier to fix with money
As for the majors only hiring FO’s …. even if that happens (doubtful) non-legacy hiring should be sufficient to cause trouble |
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