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rickair7777 10-01-2021 10:51 AM

Another option would be to grant regional LCA a mainline seniority number, mainline pay, maybe some schedule relief, and a bonus to stay and teach in RJ's for some period of time. Works in their favor because they can enjoy the benefits of their regional seniority while building mainline seniority for mainline pay. Could also be extended to non-LCA CA's if needed.

BigZ 10-01-2021 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3302825)
Another option would be to grant regional LCA a mainline seniority number, mainline pay, maybe some schedule relief, and a bonus to stay and teach in RJ's for some period of time. Works in their favor because they can enjoy the benefits of their regional seniority while building mainline seniority for mainline pay. Could also be extended to non-LCA CA's if needed.

Squadron buddies won't approve

APCHCLIMB 10-01-2021 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3302858)
Squadron buddies won't approve

until “squadron buddies” start making bottom dollar for these companies, I don’t think they should have a say.

DarkSideMoon 10-01-2021 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3302825)
Another option would be to grant regional LCA a mainline seniority number, mainline pay, maybe some schedule relief, and a bonus to stay and teach in RJ's for some period of time. Works in their favor because they can enjoy the benefits of their regional seniority while building mainline seniority for mainline pay. Could also be extended to non-LCA CA's if needed.

That would be an ideal scenario IMO.

rickair7777 10-01-2021 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3302858)
Squadron buddies won't approve

The squadron buddies can still get hired just like usual. You just change the way the civilians get hired.

FlyGuy2021 10-02-2021 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3302825)
Another option would be to grant regional LCA a mainline seniority number, mainline pay, maybe some schedule relief, and a bonus to stay and teach in RJ's for some period of time. Works in their favor because they can enjoy the benefits of their regional seniority while building mainline seniority for mainline pay. Could also be extended to non-LCA CA's if needed.

The problem is that we have all been so abused that we are trying to come up with ways to salvage the regional system. The regional system should go away completely!

The pilots before us created this b scale, whip saw driven system designed to keep flying cheap at the lower level and in turn got a few extra bucks in retirement. It is time to take scope back.

Anything with jet engines that seats more than 19 people should be a mainline aircraft. Period. End of story. We should have A220s and A319s doing the short haul and regional flying with mainline pilots in those seats.

Our goal should be to let the regional system die a quick death, and move on from there! Stop trying to fix a terrible system designed to hurt pilots.

arbalist1 10-02-2021 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3303271)
The problem is that we have all been so abused that we are trying to come up with ways to salvage the regional system. The regional system should go away completely!

The pilots before us created this b scale, whip saw driven system designed to keep flying cheap at the lower level and in turn got a few extra bucks in retirement. It is time to take scope back.

Anything with jet engines that seats more than 19 people should be a mainline aircraft. Period. End of story. We should have A220s and A319s doing the short haul and regional flying with mainline pilots in those seats.

Our goal should be to let the regional system die a quick death, and move on from there! Stop trying to fix a terrible system designed to hurt pilots.

Totally agree. But that's just not how game theory works.

FlyGuy2021 10-02-2021 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by arbalist1 (Post 3303278)
But that's just not how game theory works.

This is what we call Stockholm Syndrome.

rickair7777 10-03-2021 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3303271)
The problem is that we have all been so abused that we are trying to come up with ways to salvage the regional system. The regional system should go away completely!

The pilots before us created this b scale, whip saw driven system designed to keep flying cheap at the lower level and in turn got a few extra bucks in retirement. It is time to take scope back.

Anything with jet engines that seats more than 19 people should be a mainline aircraft. Period. End of story. We should have A220s and A319s doing the short haul and regional flying with mainline pilots in those seats.

Our goal should be to let the regional system die a quick death, and move on from there! Stop trying to fix a terrible system designed to hurt pilots.

Little problem... only people who can make that happen is mainline management and mainline pilot groups.

The former like the status quo.

The latter don't want to waste negotiating capital on "saving the regional pilots". Also NB & WB pilots probably get some benefit by having a larger slice of the overall pilot labor pie... if they bring RJ pilots to mainline, they get paid more with better bennies which means less pie for NB/WB.

ZeroTT 10-03-2021 03:41 PM

The pilots who sold scope got a better deal for themselves… screw the ones who come next

possible bringing some flying back in house might provide a similar one time boost to the mainline guys as they suddenly get 20% stapled underneath them


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