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eligible2flow 10-06-2021 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 (Post 3304692)
Well rumor has it both AA and DAL might increase flow numbers at their WO.

Not true. filler

Tjeff 10-06-2021 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by eligible2flow (Post 3305349)
Not true. filler

AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month

FlyGuy2021 10-06-2021 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Tjeff (Post 3305377)
AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month

No, there is talk about actual flow increases. ALPA has supposedly received initial info from AA, but there are strings attached (as you would expect). Looks like 4-12 more per month, depending on the WO. (PDT getting 4 more, Envoy getting 12 more). Not dependent on attrition, but a real flow increase.

Tjeff 10-06-2021 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021 (Post 3305380)
No, there is talk about actual flow increases. ALPA has supposedly received initial info from AA, but there are strings attached (as you would expect). Looks like 4-12 more per month, depending on the WO. (PDT getting 4 more, Envoy getting 12 more). Not dependent on attrition, but a real flow increase.

Well for the first time ever I actually believe it since they did it with stipulations. I think retention would be better in Piedmont’s case if they just went to 10 a month from 6. If I was 2 years out that would more likely keep me around cutting it to 14 months more than $30,000

dera 10-06-2021 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Tjeff (Post 3305377)
AA just increased their flow* numbers with the retention bonuses.

*flow increase dependent on non AA attrition numbers per month

The attrition numbers are totally unrealistic so it was effectively a no flow increase.

They will have to increase the numbers, they have a huge retention issue and they need to fix it asap. Increasing flow would be an easy way to do it, and I hope they will.

ZeroTT 10-06-2021 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3305496)
, they have a huge retention issue and they need to fix it asap. Increasing flow would be an easy way to do it.

I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes

ArmyRWP2018 10-07-2021 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3305524)
I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes

The house of cards is imploding with outside attrition now. Maybe some suit at AA figured it out and is thinking to get as many on property before end game does occur. Otherwise the competition gets even more of “their” pilots.

Tjeff 10-07-2021 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 3305524)
I don’t they can increase flow enough to fix the problem. AA is looking to hire 150/month this year and they’re currently Flowing something like 30/month. Say they triple the flow. (Unlikely but not impossible). That would have PSA flowing 360/year. Couple problems

1) they lose 360 captains
2) the guys at 500-800 still are over a year out. Why would they pass up the greatest hiring wave in a generation? Dl/ua/fdx/ups are gonna snatch up several hundred others


now psa still has no captains and the whole house of cards implodes

A lot of people from my personal experience really want to work for AA a huge reason is hub locations, PHL, CLT and MIA. I think it would stop a few know they can get to their number 1 faster. Call them whatever for turning down United to wait 1.5 years to flow but maybe they live in CLT and don’t want to commute for 30 years.

FlyGuy2021 10-07-2021 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Tjeff (Post 3305629)
A lot of people from my personal experience really want to work for AA a huge reason is hub locations, PHL, CLT and MIA. I think it would stop a few know they can get to their number 1 faster. Call them whatever for turning down United to wait 1.5 years to flow but maybe they live in CLT and don’t want to commute for 30 years.

I have talked to several that are leaving and their plan is to get on with UAL/FedEx and then get hired faster at AA. And if they don't get hired on at AA, they are in a far better place than they were at PSA.

There have been many that have done this in the past.

ZeroTT 10-07-2021 06:03 AM

The “some people want to flow” argument isn’t wrong but it’s irrelevant. The WO’s are near an unsustainable tipping point. It’s like saying half your red blood cells want to stay but the other half are going on the floor. You can only lose so many


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