cbire880

The opposite is true as well. If these companies really wanted to retain the talent they have invested so much in, they would pay suitably to retain them. That's how it works in other industries. I don't think many pilots would have a problem signing a training contract for $35-40/hr to start instead of $22.

Also, when it comes to moving jobs, the most successful people tend to move on a regular basis. They make strategic moves to further their careers. Look at management and CEOs, they shift every 2-4 years and are paid large sums of money to not jump ship.

The low pay and training contracts without incentive show how management feels about pilots. They will take advatange of you and burn you out for the lowest cost possible. The examples of a benevolent company taking care of its loyal employees are rare anymore. So why not use them to your advantage. If TSA raises their pay rates and improves the work rules, people wouldn't jump ship in 6 months.

ExperimentalAB

Exactly, how can TSA expect to to remain competitive?

They got away with low pay and awful work rules for a long time, as Pilots were just lucky to have jobs...it's backfiring on them with the Industry as it is today.

They even started paying for lodging during training ::gasp:: (Not enough, but it's a start)

Oh, and I agree about the strategic moves...nobody is going to give you grief about leaving Mesa for another carrier shortly out of training...remember, you have to do whats best for you. A good employer knows if they can hold onto you or not when they Interview you, and they give you incentive to stay. Just be sure to not jump around too much in this industry.

AV8ER

TSA's pay is industry average and I would say that their work rules are too. Not saying there isn't room for improvement, b/c there is and those issues are being addressed in negotiations now (junior manning, second year pay, etc). The problem is we've had the same contract for a while. Most of the captains I fly with say our current (expired) contract was a big step up from the previous, and was actually a pretty good one when it was signed. Unfortunately, Its been a long time since it was signed. Heres hoping for a better new contract. Hopefully the pilot group will be willing to fight for it. I'm betting they will.

dbrockman2

Does anyone know how many classes TSA has a month? I'm curious if I'll have to wait a whole month from my interview date to start class, if I'm offered the job. I know they have a Jul 2nd but there is NO way I can get all my stuff together to start class 4 days after an interview. I'm afraid to burn my bridges at my current 9-5 non flying job should I, GOD FORBID, be asked to leave training.

POPA

When I left TSA in April, they were running one class a month, starting on the first Monday of the month.
I think they are still doing this, as they really don't have enough instructors to run two new-hire classes and an upgrade class simultaneously.
Of course, they could just cancel the upgrade class...oh wait!

POPA

...for 30-seat turboprops.

Pilotpip

One class per month.

The industry average for 50 seat jet pay is what it should be for 30 seaters. Hopefully that will start to change.

dbrockman2

Nice a 30 day wait! Great. Ohh well I guess that will give me time to get a suitcase, and flight kit and all that fun jazz.

Thanks

ExperimentalAB

That's forty seniority numbers dude...I started class 4 days after Interviewing. Kept me from sitting Reserve more than two days. That alone is Priceless!

ScaryKite

dont worry not many people sit reserve more than a week when your attrition is 60billion percent!