PRIA forms (TSA)
06-20-2007, 09:17 PM
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PRIA forms (TSA)
I'm filling out my application packet for TSA and I've come to these PRIA forms. They seem pretty simple until you get to the Disclosure of Pilot Employment section. Am I supposed to list every student, and every commercial flight I made with dates, and locations? Then there is the Air Carrier & Other Records Request, since there was no prior pilot employment, would I leave this blank? Then the last one is the Authorization for Release of DOT Drug and Alcohol Testing Records, same question, no prior pilot employment, should this one be blank too?
Can anyone help with these questions?
Can anyone help with these questions?
06-21-2007, 02:59 PM
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You need PRIA requests to all 121 and 135 employers. I'm still not sure about CFI jobs. You submit them to 91 operators, but they are not required to respond. The reason CFI jobs are fuzzy is b/c work as a flight instructor is not technically commercial flying. I just submit it for every flying job I have had. Shouldn't hurt unless you hosed something up before(which you should've come clean about already). They just respond with training records and drug test results. There is no opportunity for the employer to submit subjective comments.
06-21-2007, 03:17 PM
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I would list any aviation employer where you worked as a pilot. If you worked as a freelance instructor you do not need to list every student. Sometimes "working" at an FBO is more like freelancing, but I would say that if you got paid by the FBO/club (as opposed to the student) then that counts as employment.
06-21-2007, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
That's really only for prior-121 experience. You certainly don't need to give any information pertaining to students/particular flights...LoL
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PRIA only applies to 121/135 carriers in the sense that they are the only ones who are required to request PRIA data from previous employers.
However, PRIA data MUST be requested from ANY previous aviation employer, and when they get the request they MUST respond. The only slight loophole is that a previous 91 employer has no legal obligation to train you or keep records on your training or performance, so they are only required to submit those records they may have accumulated.
06-21-2007, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cbire880
The reason CFI jobs are fuzzy is b/c work as a flight instructor is not technically commercial flying. I just submit it for every flying job I have had. .
If you NEVER acted as PIC while instructing (ie only did BFR's, VMC IPC's, commercial training etc) you might argue that you never served as a pilot, but if you logged any PIC while getting paid...you worked as a pilot.
If you were a freelance instructor you worked for yourself as a pilot, but I wouldn't submit a PRIA request to yourself
06-21-2007, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They are really not that fuzzy...the requirement is to submit a PRIA request to any person who employed you as a pilot (says nothing about commercial flying).
If you NEVER acted as PIC while instructing (ie only did BFR's, VMC IPC's, commercial training etc) you might argue that you never served as a pilot, but if you logged any PIC while getting paid...you worked as a pilot.
If you were a freelance instructor you worked for yourself as a pilot, but I wouldn't submit a PRIA request to yourself
If you NEVER acted as PIC while instructing (ie only did BFR's, VMC IPC's, commercial training etc) you might argue that you never served as a pilot, but if you logged any PIC while getting paid...you worked as a pilot.
If you were a freelance instructor you worked for yourself as a pilot, but I wouldn't submit a PRIA request to yourself
As far as the FAA is concerned though, even if you act as PIC while flight instructing you are not working as a pilot. You are working as a flight instructor which is not the same as a pilot in their eyes. Its the same definition that permits flight instruction for compensation to not count against your 1000 hours of commerical flying under 121.
06-21-2007, 04:59 PM
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Flight schools are required to maintain training records for three years per TSA regulation now. They're also required to maintain employee records. That's what I gathered from the form's cover page.
The main thing they're looking for at this point is any flying that you've done that required a commercial certificate because it counts towards your 1000 hours.
Call Kathy. She'll be able to clear everything up. I probably called her 10 times from just before the interview, to just before class with lots of annoying questions. She's very helpful.
The main thing they're looking for at this point is any flying that you've done that required a commercial certificate because it counts towards your 1000 hours.
Call Kathy. She'll be able to clear everything up. I probably called her 10 times from just before the interview, to just before class with lots of annoying questions. She's very helpful.
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