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06-25-2007 | 11:49 AM
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250 wonder pilot?
The 250hr wonder pilot argument doesn't hold water at Eagle. The captain is most likely a former TWA captain with a bizilian hours and the F.O. has been siting over on the right flipping the gear switch for 8 years.
I'de say from the look of things, there was some mechanical problem. through the whole series of photos, the gear doors don't move. If the gear was cycles late, you would think you would see the gear start to peak out on the go-around.
My .02, don't know ERJ systems.
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I'de say from the look of things, there was some mechanical problem. through the whole series of photos, the gear doors don't move. If the gear was cycles late, you would think you would see the gear start to peak out on the go-around.
My .02, don't know ERJ systems.
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06-25-2007 | 12:44 PM
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Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet?
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
06-25-2007 | 12:47 PM
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Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
To answer your question, yes, there are circumstances where the gear doors can drop without the gear coming out.
However, if in the above scenario, you would have A LOT more indications that there was something SERIOUSLY wrong with the aircraft. Not just a disagreement with the LG sensor, or whatever happeened to these guys.
06-25-2007 | 01:37 PM
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Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet?
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
I dont use this word unless it is completely neccessary... but in this case it is...
DUMBASS!!!!
You my friend know nothing of what you are talking about so go post somewhere else.
The 2 main facts here are:
1. The gear was indicating 3 green lights and no one knows how this happened, not even EMB.
2. The pilots did a damn good job. This could have been a terrible accident and my hats are off to the two pilots.
FOX news has already recieved several phone calls for mis-reporting the facts on this story, and who ever the aviation expert was is a mystery to me, but obviously he is no expert.
06-25-2007 | 01:42 PM
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Military training vs. sub-par commuter training... is it even legal to compare the two? This subject needs to be beaten some more because when airlines have to replace crews because neither pilot has 50 hrs. in the airplane, something bad will happen eventually. Are you fighting this subject so harshly because you are one of them in the right seat of an RJ having to deal with all the ****ed off captains that don't want to teach you how to talk on the radio?
06-25-2007 | 02:55 PM
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I have to agree with your comments here. I honestly don't know what I would actually do in a similar situation, but I think that the safest bet would have been to stay on the ground here...at least you know what you have when you are on the ground, and the crash crew is very near-by in case things go badly. Taking an aircraft with unknown damage into the air is not the best option in my mind. What happens if there is structural damage severe enough to cause inability to fly issues at 6000 feet after the go-around? A lawn dart crash is going to be far less survivable than a belly landing. I wasn't there, and I applaud the crew for bringing it back safely, but in the end, even though it all worked out, it doesn't necessarliy mean that it was the safest call.
06-25-2007 | 03:46 PM
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Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
06-25-2007 | 03:47 PM
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yes they would have, they just would have been a lot harder to manipulate
06-25-2007 | 03:49 PM
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Thats what I was talking about. The gear doors, not the flight controls. And like I said, they would have known about it WAY prior to the before landing check and verifying the gear was down and locked.
06-25-2007 | 03:53 PM
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But I dont think anyone would just lose all their hydraulics and come on in and land like nothing happen.
This incident is some kind of computer error and we wont know what happened until the investigation is done. No more speculating.
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