Bad day at BOS
06-24-2007 | 07:46 PM
#21
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From: 73N CA
Military controllers do require a "3-Down" call...at least in the Navy. I still check rolling into the groove and again on final! I've always been told "there are those who have...and those who will!" Looks like a malfunction to me though.
06-24-2007 | 07:47 PM
#22
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From: 737 Left
For the sake of argument, let's say that it was a malfunction. How then does it work good when they finally make the approach the second time. Also, if they were having gear trouble, why didn't the crew declare?
In my airplane, it is very obvious when the gear drops out. The three greens confirm it but I also hear it pop out with increased wind noise and noticable drag.
I am waiting to read about this one in more detail.
I am loathe to 'Monday morning quarterback' but things don't add up.
My .02
In my airplane, it is very obvious when the gear drops out. The three greens confirm it but I also hear it pop out with increased wind noise and noticable drag.
I am waiting to read about this one in more detail.
I am loathe to 'Monday morning quarterback' but things don't add up.
My .02
06-24-2007 | 07:49 PM
#23
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From: EMB-145 FO
Just like tailwheel pilots... there are those who have ground looped and those that will.
06-24-2007 | 08:32 PM
#24
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From: Turbo-props' and John Deere's
Pretty good pic's for someone randomly just watching. For the ERJ guys, is there any way the gear doors can drop w/o the gear coming out? It was hard to tell, but it almost looked as if the main's were maybe 6" extended, but that's all I could really see.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
Just remember, the media will always use their standard storylines when it comes to aviation, just to spice it up regardless of the situation.
06-25-2007 | 05:30 AM
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From: E170 FO
IIRC, the reports indicated they performed a manual gear extension (however that works on a 145?). That would explain the ability to get the gear down if it was an indication problem and also the multiple tower flybys.
06-25-2007 | 05:40 AM
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From: dispatcher
IF. . . they had forgotten and at the last moment, remembered to drop the gear, wouldn't have been better to execute a go-around rather than risk what happened? How much trouble would they have gotten into if that had happened?
06-25-2007 | 08:40 AM
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Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet?
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
06-25-2007 | 09:03 AM
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From: Cessna 152 Captain
Dont like to speculate or place blame, but... if this were pilot error it wouldn't surprise me with all the 250 hour wonders being hired at almost every single regional around. I don't care how good and experienced the captain is, if you have an FO that can barely find his own seat, something like this is bound to happen. This goes with the captains, too... what right does a 1500 hr. seminole instructor have to be in command of a turboprop/jet?
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
I haven't heard any rumors about this incident nor am I trying to start any, i'm just saying that a lot worse is in the future if the current hiring scheme keeps going on...
Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time..
06-25-2007 | 10:49 AM
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STEWIE quit your Bit ch ing...
Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time..
Tell me how many hours we give our Fighter Pilots before we cut them Loose to fly Multi Million dollar aircraft SOLO... the case for the 250 hour wonder pilot has been beaten to Death,, I say it already and I will say it again,, Ill take a Low time person with quality time than a high time person with bad habits and not so good quality time..
06-25-2007 | 11:03 AM
#30
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From: C-402 Captain
I know I'm a little late in my reply. But if you have correct crosswind correction you won't slide off the runway, I've seen it done (granted in a GA plane). I just see It as a much greater risk going around after impacted the ground and scraping the belly.
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