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Round Luggage 03-02-2023 04:17 AM

That forbes article fails to mention contracts generally go to the lowest bidder, an arguably more exacting reason why regionals have needed to keep costs low.

Excargodog 03-02-2023 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Round Luggage (Post 3600575)
That forbes article fails to mention contracts generally go to the lowest bidder, an arguably more exacting reason why regionals have needed to keep costs low.

Money is fungible but economics aren’t. If your CASM is too high because of fuel burn or maintenance costs or personnel costs or anything else, it’s still just too high. Plus, short haul routes have other problems. If I have to be at the airport two and a half hours before scheduled takeoff to park and go through security for a scheduled 150 mile trip, I can probably just take a bus and beat the time. Or AMTRAK in the northeast corridor.

And the arrival of fuel efficient narrow bodies capable of long haul will affect regionals too. With a 737 MAX 7 or an A220 or A320 NEO XR flying “thin” long routes point to point, hubs and regional feed may well be less important. The fact is that regionals exist because the legacies figured they could make money off them. That is less and less the case.

SonicFlyer 03-02-2023 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3600463)
Endeavor still flies CRJ 200s, I can see those being parked as Endeavor shrinks.

And not a day too soon.

PilotBases 03-02-2023 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3600463)
The 50 seaters are primarily being operated for United—Air Wisconsin, GoJet, and Commutair—and United seems to be willing to subsidize the increased labor costs at least short term. They even bailed out Mesa. Perhaps United is trying to keep them going for a couple more years until they can cover the flying themselves?

Piedmont operates 50 seaters and is unlikely to fail with AA subsidizing them and relying on their feed. Although Envoy is slowly parking their E145s and transferring some to Piedmont, so it could happen—when AA is ready.

Endeavor still flies CRJ 200s, I can see those being parked as Endeavor shrinks. SkyWest still flies CRJ 200s, not sure for which partners, but they are big enough to survive when no one wants to fly on the 200s anymore. Mandatory upgrades don’t seem to have helped them. It will be interesting to watch what happens.

EDV CRJ200s are done in may I think. Displacement to close the final base is already in process.

TransWorld 03-02-2023 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3600676)
EDV CRJ200s are done in may I think. Displacement to close the final base is already in process.

I celebrate each regional ramp down of the CRJ200s and E145s.

Green Needles 03-05-2023 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3600676)
EDV CRJ200s are done in may I think. Displacement to close the final base is already in process.

They will all be parked by June.

Excargodog 03-05-2023 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 3602237)
They will all be parked by June.

And yet people applying to other regionals - and lifers at those regionals - believe that they can keep flying their CRJ-200s and Emb-145s into the sunset.

What’s not cost effective for Endeavour is highly unlikely to be significantly more cost effective for anyone else.

rickair7777 03-05-2023 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3602269)
And yet people applying to other regionals - and lifers at those regionals - believe that they can keep flying their CRJ-200s and Emb-145s into the sunset.

What’s not cost effective for Endeavour is highly unlikely to be significantly more cost effective for anyone else.

I think the issue is staffing, not cost effectiveness.

Oil's around $80, 50-seaters are paid off, and ticket prices are sky-high. You *should* be able to make money on the right routes, if you can find anyone to fly the things. If you're a senior lifer at a regional with 50's only, you might be willing to stay and do it. They have to find you an FO though...

Round Luggage 03-05-2023 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3600639)
Money is fungible but economics aren’t.
Plus, short haul routes have other problems. If I have to be at the airport two and a half hours before scheduled takeoff to park and go through security for a scheduled 150 mile trip, I can probably just take a bus and beat the time.

Fungibility is an economics term so I don’t know what you are saying here. To the second part you do know that people are traveling 150 or less to a hub by air are connecting to/from somewhere else so that really isn’t an argument. Instead of saying the CASM is high, prove the CASM is relatively high.

Excargodog 03-05-2023 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3602323)
I think the issue is staffing, not cost effectiveness.

Oil's around $80, 50-seaters are paid off, and ticket prices are sky-high. You *should* be able to make money on the right routes, if you can find anyone to fly the things. If you're a senior lifer at a regional with 50's only, you might be willing to stay and do it. They have to find you an FO though...

Staffing is part of cost effectiveness.


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