Regional pilot numbers
03-05-2023 | 05:48 PM
#101
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That article is a joke.
Southwest is losing new hires right and left. Frontier and Spirit are treading water and can’t grow.
United and Delta are growing as fast as possible. United is getting 138 new jets this year and much more in 2024.
The pool is empty. Regionals will collapse and ULCC cannot grow and will have trouble not shrinking.
$150,000 DE captain at Air Wisconsin. If that’s not desperation, I don’t know what is.
Maybe by June Envoy will be offering $500,000 for a direct entry captain.
Southwest is losing new hires right and left. Frontier and Spirit are treading water and can’t grow.
United and Delta are growing as fast as possible. United is getting 138 new jets this year and much more in 2024.
The pool is empty. Regionals will collapse and ULCC cannot grow and will have trouble not shrinking.
$150,000 DE captain at Air Wisconsin. If that’s not desperation, I don’t know what is.
Maybe by June Envoy will be offering $500,000 for a direct entry captain.
03-05-2023 | 09:16 PM
#102
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From: CRJ9 CA
That article is a joke.
Southwest is losing new hires right and left. Frontier and Spirit are treading water and can’t grow.
United and Delta are growing as fast as possible. United is getting 138 new jets this year and much more in 2024.
The pool is empty. Regionals will collapse and ULCC cannot grow and will have trouble not shrinking.
$150,000 DE captain at Air Wisconsin. If that’s not desperation, I don’t know what is.
Maybe by June Envoy will be offering $500,000 for a direct entry captain.
Southwest is losing new hires right and left. Frontier and Spirit are treading water and can’t grow.
United and Delta are growing as fast as possible. United is getting 138 new jets this year and much more in 2024.
The pool is empty. Regionals will collapse and ULCC cannot grow and will have trouble not shrinking.
$150,000 DE captain at Air Wisconsin. If that’s not desperation, I don’t know what is.
Maybe by June Envoy will be offering $500,000 for a direct entry captain.
03-07-2023 | 08:29 AM
#103
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*No, don’t really. Not even a pangolin’s metabolism could survive that, tough as the little buggers are. But you get the point. There are fixed costs to running an airline that don’t cease just because one part (albeit an essential one) is in short supply. Many regionals won’t have the ability to endure a significantly sustained interruption in that supply
03-08-2023 | 07:25 AM
#104
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Yep regionals are going to shrink considerably. Right now a CFI can easily go to Breeze, Frontier, Spirit and others and just skip having to fly for the regionals. I don’t even think the flow thru carrot is all that enticing anymore since it still requires a pretty lengthy time commitment. ULCCs will become the new “regional” carriers like in the rest of the world.
03-08-2023 | 10:03 AM
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Not enough with enough 121 hours to upgrade who are WILLING to upgrade at the regional level when they can jump to a major. That may be a temporary issue, but for many regionals it still might be a terminal one. Temporary problems can become permanent ones. Try putting a plastic bag over your head - just for 10 minutes or so - and SS how that works out.*
*No, don’t really. Not even a pangolin’s metabolism could survive that, tough as the little buggers are. But you get the point. There are fixed costs to running an airline that don’t cease just because one part (albeit an essential one) is in short supply. Many regionals won’t have the ability to endure a significantly sustained interruption in that supply
*No, don’t really. Not even a pangolin’s metabolism could survive that, tough as the little buggers are. But you get the point. There are fixed costs to running an airline that don’t cease just because one part (albeit an essential one) is in short supply. Many regionals won’t have the ability to endure a significantly sustained interruption in that supply
03-08-2023 | 10:06 AM
#106
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Yep regionals are going to shrink considerably. Right now a CFI can easily go to Breeze, Frontier, Spirit and others and just skip having to fly for the regionals. I don’t even think the flow thru carrot is all that enticing anymore since it still requires a pretty lengthy time commitment. ULCCs will become the new “regional” carriers like in the rest of the world.
03-09-2023 | 08:26 AM
#107
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There aren’t plenty of pilots. Maybe 10-12k at regionals. Spirit and Frontier are hiring 1k each, Delta, United, Southwest and AA want to hire 2k each. That’s 10k pilots by the end of the year.
03-09-2023 | 02:30 PM
#108
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As Ross Perot said (about something entirely different), “That Giant Sucking Sound”.
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