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idlethrust 09-12-2022 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by hydrostream (Post 3493238)
That’s a graveyard shift and it sounds ****ing terrible. Once or twice not a big deal but doing it every day? Gross.

Youre obviously not a pilot . 3 days a week , sometimes 4 .
But that’s your opinion.if you want to be home every day that’s your option. Either that or go work for allegiant.

WHACKMASTER 09-12-2022 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3493229)
Its not . I’ve done it b4 . Go to work around 1030-11 at night , fly to an outstation . Get a 3-4 hour nap and fly back into the hub by 7-730 am and go home . All day off at home .
Once again, if you live in base and are ok with min guarantee, have a spouse that makes good money or have a second source of income, it’s the way to go .

I’ve done them and they SUCK, but hey…..that’s just me.

rickair7777 09-12-2022 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by hydrostream (Post 3493238)
That’s a graveyard shift and it sounds ****ing terrible. Once or twice not a big deal but doing it every day? Gross.

You normally get 5+ hours guarantee for 1.5 - 3 hours worth of block. You get 50-80% of your sleep while on duty. Home all day.

They normally go very senior... some people like the time off, others actually have day jobs or businesses.

Now there are some 2-4 leg backside schedules with no opportunity to nap, which truly suck... that's a graveyard shift. I vastly prefer redeyes or standups to that sort of crap.

hydrostream 09-12-2022 08:10 AM

Some people are crazy. But I suppose I knew that already...

NAVIG8R 09-14-2022 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by golfandflows (Post 3489785)
Re: overnights

“ I want to be a cop as long as I don’t have to carry a gun and enforce the law “. Basically what you saying, but for the airline industry

I'm in the guard. We have the same flight requirements as our active duty brethren and are at work far less and still hacking the mish just as well or better all while juggling full-time flying and non-flying gigs. The same principle could be applied to airlines. Just because it is not currently done that way doesn't mean it couldn't be.

golfandflows 09-15-2022 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 3493229)
Its not . I’ve done it b4 . Go to work around 1030-11 at night , fly to an outstation . Get a 3-4 hour nap and fly back into the hub by 7-730 am and go home . All day off at home .
Once again, if you live in base and are ok with min guarantee, have a spouse that makes good money or have a second source of income, it’s the way to go .

*all day at home as a fatigued zombie. But yes, you’re at home.

rickair7777 09-15-2022 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by golfandflows (Post 3495273)
*all day at home as a fatigued zombie. But yes, you’re at home.

I've done them, it depends on the standup schedule and the individual and also what's going on at home. If you can nap, great. If you're working another job or caring for small children, that's tougher.

flyingfiddler 09-15-2022 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by NAVIG8R (Post 3495081)
I'm in the guard. We have the same flight requirements as our active duty brethren and are at work far less and still hacking the mish just as well or better all while juggling full-time flying and non-flying gigs. The same principle could be applied to airlines. Just because it is not currently done that way doesn't mean it couldn't be.

The guard doesn't have to worry about making a profit. Sounds like flying part time on the taxpayer dime is probably the best solution for you then.

rickair7777 09-15-2022 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by flyingfiddler (Post 3495381)
The guard doesn't have to worry about making a profit.

Unlike the airlines, the mil could find itself very suddenly needing large additional numbers of skilled operators, with a few days notice.

They don't offer the part time thing for the convenience of the members, that's done so they don't have to pay full-time people until they need them. They do have to pay for some training obviously.

rickair7777 09-15-2022 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by NAVIG8R (Post 3495081)
I'm in the guard. We have the same flight requirements as our active duty brethren and are at work far less and still hacking the mish just as well or better all while juggling full-time flying and non-flying gigs. The same principle could be applied to airlines. Just because it is not currently done that way doesn't mean it couldn't be.

Mil does for a different reason: surge capacity when they need it. And you can't say no.

Economically, it is not ideal for airlines since they have to pay for the same recurrent training for part-timers. Lack of benefits would offset that some, but proably not all of it.

They might do it to enhance pilot staffing IF they thought there was an adequate pool of wanna-be part-time pilots waiting in the wings out there. There are some to be sure, but I'm not sure there's enough to make it worth while.


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