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Old 09-20-2022, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hydrostream;[url=tel:3498001
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I would suspect it has to do with envy and a complete lack of understanding of military aviation.
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
The 1500 hour rule has nothing to do with safety. This has been explained multiple times.
In a round-about way, the rule absolutely enhance safety. The improved wages allow pilots to get crashpads and hotel rooms, preventing a situation like Colgan where they commuted in, either got no sleep or poor sleep in the crew room.

Also increases the likelihood that a pilot have seen icing, made some good decisions and shown a track record of training failure or success, before flying into a thin layer of clouds in Buffalo.

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
More idiocy from the feds, as usual.
More idiocy from SonicFlyer, as usual.
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Originally Posted by kevin18 View Post
I would suspect it has to do with envy and a complete lack of understanding of military aviation.
There's a grain of truth in that mil helo pilots who did not complete a FW UPT program do not have the same foundational skills as those who did. Bit of a loophole, and it's left up to the airlines to deal with it. It can be an issue with landings, and this has been observed by the instructor community. I don't think it's catastrophic, or worth changing the rule over.
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Also important to highlight that all USN helicopter pilots complete fixed wing primary before going on to helo advanced, and a significant number come back for their shore tour as instructors in the T-6, racking up a lot of high quality FW TPIC.

Many incorrectly assume that a Navy helo pilot goes zero to hero in helicopters only, a la Army.

There are even some who manage to nab a set of multi engine shore orders (C-12), but it’s kinda rare.
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Also important to highlight that all USN helicopter pilots complete fixed wing primary before going on to helo advanced, and a significant number come back for their shore tour as instructors in the T-6, racking up a lot of high quality FW TPIC.

Many incorrectly assume that a Navy helo pilot goes zero to hero in helicopters only, a la Army.

There are even some who manage to nab a set of multi engine shore orders (C-12), but it’s kinda rare.
Yeah I just didn't want to call out the army by name.

We had a steady procession of helo people coming into the navy reserves. We'd send them off to the regionals, and 6-18 months later they'd be at a legacy. The ones who had done a T-6 IP tour had the shortest wait.
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Originally Posted by TwoDaysBehind View Post
In a round-about way, the rule absolutely enhance safety. The improved wages allow pilots to get crashpads and hotel rooms, preventing a situation like Colgan where they commuted in, either got no sleep or poor sleep in the crew room.
That's not about safety then, that's about pay and work rules. The rest requirement changes that resulted from Colgan were excellent and were a good step forward. As well as the training emphasis on stalls, prevention, and icing. But don't pretend the 1500 hour rule had anything to do with safety, there is zero evidence it did.
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
That's not about safety then, that's about pay and work rules. The rest requirement changes that resulted from Colgan were excellent and were a good step forward. As well as the training emphasis on stalls, prevention, and icing. But don't pretend the 1500 hour rule had anything to do with safety, there is zero evidence it did.
But to not see the pay and safety as correlated is ignorant. There isn't enough pilots to form datasets to "prove with evidence" anyway, the absence of a correlation study isn't proof that higher pay which yields quality of life in the form of commuter hotels or crashpads, and general ability to pay for services, is irrelevant to safety. Simple surveys of pilots who operated under the old rules and pay vs today, is a clear and loud "it's so much better today".
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How many regional aircraft have augured in since the 1500 hour rule? That's what the public sees. That's what the FAA, Congress and other bureaucrats see as well. The 1500 hour rule is here to stay (and we are better for it).
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Originally Posted by Alpiner View Post
Fair point, I don’t know their background. But, this is good for the aviation community in general. 135 operators have had to substantially increase pay, so have flight instruction jobs. While it might take an extra year or two to build up flight time, new FOs are getting paid 5x what we did 8 years ago and not to mention getting hired by legacies in record time. I’d take that trade off!
Regarding the poster originally in question, it’s my understanding that he runs a small 135… so he’s probably not happy about having to substantially increase pay.

Not everyone who posts on here have the interest of working pilots in mind.
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