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Old 12-10-2022 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I just have a question for the OP—they let you go after your first written test fail? There was no further opportunity? Is there more to the story aside from a medical condition which you implied impaired your abilities to pass the systems test the first time?

The way you own this will determine how your future interviews go.

Unfortunately, I was not given a second opportunity to retake the systems exam. They pulled me in a room and asked what happened. I explained I had been having a difficult time since I began my training and how I was having difficulties retaining information / sitting for long periods of time. They mentioned had I said something previously before the exam they may have been able to delay the training or work something out (which, once again is completely my fault). I was encouraged to resign and told this would not get listed on the PRIA. However, as mentioned I have not been hearing back from airlines after submitting applications so I have been skeptical. I'm still trying for figure out the best way to own my faults without making excuses and putting it on my health. Because the truth is, like many have said before, regardless of my circumstances I could have handled the situation better which would have had a better outcome.


I will add since my last post I did reach out to someone from the company, in the training department, explaining my situation and they encouraged me to re-apply and provide my medical paperwork. So I am feeling somewhat optimistic. I will continue to send out my applications.
Thank you all for your feedback and advice. It has all been very helpful, insightful, and has given me motivation to keep trying.
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Old 12-10-2022 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by K1218
Unfortunately, I was not given a second opportunity to retake the systems exam. They pulled me in a room and asked what happened. I explained I had been having a difficult time since I began my training and how I was having difficulties retaining information / sitting for long periods of time. They mentioned had I said something previously before the exam they may have been able to delay the training or work something out (which, once again is completely my fault). I was encouraged to resign and told this would not get listed on the PRIA. However, as mentioned I have not been hearing back from airlines after submitting applications so I have been skeptical. I'm still trying for figure out the best way to own my faults without making excuses and putting it on my health. Because the truth is, like many have said before, regardless of my circumstances I could have handled the situation better which would have had a better outcome.


I will add since my last post I did reach out to someone from the company, in the training department, explaining my situation and they encouraged me to re-apply and provide my medical paperwork. So I am feeling somewhat optimistic. I will continue to send out my applications.
Thank you all for your feedback and advice. It has all been very helpful, insightful, and has given me motivation to keep trying.
It will be on your PRIA, whoever told you otherwise is misinformed, or they do not handle PRIA correctly.
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Old 12-10-2022 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
It will be on your PRIA, whoever told you otherwise is misinformed, or they do not handle PRIA correctly.
they told my systems class at my regional that if we failed the written it wouldn’t be on our pria either. They didn’t say they wouldn’t fire us, but they did say nobody would know but us.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 05:55 AM
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Did anybody tell you that there's no PRIA, and it's now the Pilot Records Database (PRD)?

Everything goes in the PRD, and it's a lifetime record.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Did anybody tell you that there's no PRIA, and it's now the Pilot Records Database (PRD)?

Everything goes in the PRD, and it's a lifetime record.
that’s not necessarily true I have a failed KV from a previous 121 and nothing is in my PRD indicating that I failed anything (not a PRD/PRIA event under AQP). However, if someone failed a MV or LOE that would show up. My friend failed his LOE twice and both of those failures are in his PRD.

SV failures are normally entered into the PRD, maybe in this scenario his carrier did not report it.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Clipper88
that’s not necessarily true I have a failed KV from a previous 121 and nothing is in my PRD indicating that I failed anything (not a PRD/PRIA event under AQP). However, if someone failed a MV or LOE that would show up. My friend failed his LOE twice and both of those failures are in his PRD.

SV failures are normally entered into the PRD, maybe in this scenario his carrier did not report it.
What is a KV, MV, or LOE?

Yes, it's necessarily true that all your records must be in the PRD. Read the program. It's quite clear.

Rather than type it out again, you can reference previous comments: Understanding the New Pilot Records DB
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Old 12-11-2022 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
What is a KV, MV, or LOE?
SV: Systems Validation, sometimes called GV: Ground Validation

PV: Procedures Validation (checklist flows in a Matrix trainer)

MV: Maneuvers Validation

KV: Knowledge Validation (check ride oral)

LOE is your check ride in the SIM

At some airlines you’re required to have your KV and LOE same day.

At my previous airline (SkyWest), all Validation are PRIA.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie

At my previous airline (SkyWest), all Validation are PRIA.
Must be a regional thing and all the cool kids know the codes. Never heard of them.

Nothing is PRIA, because there is no PRIA. It ended.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by K1218
Unfortunately, I was not given a second opportunity to retake the systems exam. They pulled me in a room and asked what happened. I explained I had been having a difficult time since I began my training and how I was having difficulties retaining information / sitting for long periods of time. They mentioned had I said something previously before the exam they may have been able to delay the training or work something out (which, once again is completely my fault). I was encouraged to resign and told this would not get listed on the PRIA. However, as mentioned I have not been hearing back from airlines after submitting applications so I have been skeptical. I'm still trying for figure out the best way to own my faults without making excuses and putting it on my health. Because the truth is, like many have said before, regardless of my circumstances I could have handled the situation better which would have had a better outcome.


I will add since my last post I did reach out to someone from the company, in the training department, explaining my situation and they encouraged me to re-apply and provide my medical paperwork. So I am feeling somewhat optimistic. I will continue to send out my applications.
Thank you all for your feedback and advice. It has all been very helpful, insightful, and has given me motivation to keep trying.
As others have said, plenty of people have had problems in the past at various stages of training and the majority find employment with regionals and majors regardless, especially with the market as it is.

Don’t give up, you will absolutely be hired. Just have that story down from what you learned and how you will move past it going forward.
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Old 12-11-2022 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
What is a KV, MV, or LOE?

Yes, it's necessarily true that all your records must be in the PRD. Read the program. It's quite clear.

Rather than type it out again, you can reference previous comments: Understanding the New Pilot Records DB
this has been previously discussed on the aviation career mentorship Facebook group. Here’s a copy paste of an excellent post regarding PRIA/PRD and AQP. KVs are not PRIA reportable under AQP.

“I’ve seen a lot of confusion with people and PRIA records and what is PRIA reportable.

Any checkride failure during your training will show up, but when you get to the 121 and 135 world it’s a little more confusing.

The FAA made a handy dandy chart for everyone to reference. It is divided into AQP and PC tables near the end to make it easy to read.

121 Subpart Y is AQP carriers
121 N/O are others

For AQP: MV, LOE, IOE, and Line checks are all required reports. HOWEVER your airline may send all training records along with your PRIA request (many do)

For Non-AQP: PC, OE, and Line checks. They also can send training records (and do)

Read for yourself for more understanding at the link below. If I missed something let me know!”

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...LLGjl7p9l7rdNk
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