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Old 12-12-2022, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by K1218 View Post
Hello everyone,

I wanted to create a post and hear some advice from some of you who may have either been in a similar situation, or know someone who has been, and how they moved forward. (Im sorry if this is posted in the wrong section, if so please let me know and I will repost) I was hired with my first regional airline job at the beginning of the year in March and was so excited. A few months before that, I was in a car accident as a passenger sitting in the back seat. A driver fell asleep on the wheel and rear ended the car I was in. I ended up being hospitalized for a few days. A few days before training I went to see an AME to reapply for my 1st class medical and it was not approved, but pending. I made mention of this to the company before starting my training. During my 3rd week when we got into systems I started experiencing pain in my lower back that was shooting pain down my leg. The pain got so bad towards the end I couldn't sit or focus for to long. I should have made mention of this sooner and delayed my training, but I was so eager and motivated to complete my training I kept going. During my systems exam I came a few points short scoring a 77 out of the 80 requirement. I was incredibly disappointed with myself. The company pulled me to the side and had let me go due to performance. The next day I saw a doctor and had MRI taken and I ended up getting back surgery a week later. Turns out I had several Herniated disks pressing on nerves that was being agitated from sitting for long periods of time. After my procedure, I feel great. I have no pain and my 1st class medical JUST came back in the mail last month, after many doctor visits and FAA review. I have been applying to practically every regional airline and I either have not been given a chance to interview due to my application being denied. I was able to interview with one company however they mentioned they are slowing down the FO hiring due to them having a captain shortage and they would keep my application on file.

-My question is, am I not getting any calls from the regionals because I did not successfully complete my training? -
-Is it possible it because a lot of Regional airlines are having a difficult time finding captains they are slowing down the FO hiring?

I would also like to know how do I move forward from this. I have been back at my flight school instructing, but im getting frustrated and beginning to feel like I'm never going to get hired. I would even be open to applying to 135 ops but I have been trying very hard for regional airlines due to the training.

Any advice is much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
I know of a gent at AA with 9 failures and an incident, and no he didn't flow neither. He got hired off the street!
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Old 12-12-2022, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tommy2times View Post
I know of a gent at AA with 9 failures and an incident, and no he didn't flow neither. He got hired off the street!

Is his uncle the company CP, or just DFW CP?
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Old 12-12-2022, 03:01 AM
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Is his uncle the company CP, or just DFW CP?
There's a guy at Delta with 7 failures (no family ties, actually, no internals at all). It's not 2016 any more.
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Old 12-14-2022, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
There's a guy at Delta with 7 failures (no family ties, actually, no internals at all). It's not 2016 any more.
It’s funny because myself and so many others have had an app in for YEARS at some legacies. No failures, incidents, etc. and don’t get an interview invite. But there’s always stories of someone with failures who got hired…and the felon at JetBlue who was hired…

Absolutely astonishing when you think about it
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Those those who asked, yes, the PRD replaces PRIA. The transition began a year ago, and will be fully complete by September 2024, and which time the applicability of PRIA will be done in entirety.

As for jeopardy vs. non-jeopardy, there's no such thing as non-jeopardy. I have represented people in termination hearings and proceedings who were let go for what most consider to be "non-jeopardy" events; a notable one was a LOFT ride. You may think that an element of your AQP or other training is "non-jeopardy," and if it helps you to be naive enough to believe that and sleep better at night, have at it. But you'll be wrong.

When that non-jeopardy event leads to a termination, or other penalty, you can bet that will be part of the database, and it doesn't go away. With PRIA, one's past became murky and buried a few years down the line. PRD, not so. I also called the infamous regional I left 8 years ago asking for my training records and they said they could not provide as it was over 5 years!And yes, the medical certificate is there too.

Everything is jeopardy. Treat it accordingly, and prepare accordingly.

I left a regional 8 years ago and considering a comeback. I looked at my PRD as they call it now. There's nothing in there, I only see my ATP # and CL 65 type. I know I failed my commercial single oral part. I did not get to fy. The examiner showed up and the first question he asked was about vfr equipment. I tried to list everything from memory and he stopped me. You don't know "A TOMATOE FLAME"? I replied no as I didn't know what he was talking about. That was the end of the check ride. He left saying that I needed to study more. I was so devastated at the time, I believe he handed me a pink slip but can't find any trace of this in my PRD. But still disclosed it in my regional app and will continue to do so if I come back. Don't trust this PRD or whatever they call it now.I also called the regional I worked for asking for my records and the answer was that they could not provide as it was more than 5 years ago...

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Old 12-14-2022, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage View Post
It’s funny because myself and so many others have had an app in for YEARS at some legacies. No failures, incidents, etc. and don’t get an interview invite. But there’s always stories of someone with failures who got hired…and the felon at JetBlue who was hired…

Absolutely astonishing when you think about it
Not a surprise. Legacies used to have 10,000 apps. Today, most of the LCC have from 10 to 300 apps. Things have radically changed.
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Old 12-19-2022, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by K1218 View Post
I'm incredibly thankful for each and everyone one of your responses. Thank you for your input.
I will keep sending out applications and try to attend as many meet and greets like mentioned. I am also going to do some research and look into some of the smaller 135 operations.
I will also look into possibly getting a professional to help me with my applications. Any recommendations for a particular company that specializes in reviewing airline applications?

Thank you
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Old 12-28-2022, 07:34 AM
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A couple of points on PRD. Any record generated after January 1, 2015 will be uploaded by June 12,2023. So if a record isn't in your PRD record, it will be by that date. Every airline is behind, however automation is coming, so expect a data dump into the PRD Q1 or Q2 of 2023. The September 2024 date, while correct, is for all records generated after August 1, 2005. (AC 120-68J, table 2-1). In other words, September 2024 is for records generated between August 1, 2005 and January 1, 2015. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_120-68J.pdf

What records are in the PRD? It's a pull down menu based on what type of 121 training you receive. AC 120-68J table A-2 (non-AQP) and table A-3 (AQP) have the laundry list of data entries. There's no option for additional records, so XYZ airline can't mess with what's reported. For AQP, it's Indoc, KV, MV, LOE and LC. Yes, there's more, but that's the basic list.

A pilot can always check what is reported on the PRD and report errors to the FAA. The report then goes to the reporting airline. Yes, you should check your PRD report for errors.

PRD is forever (age 99 or death).

Yes, every checkride failure is listed.
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