TSA' Ridiculously low minimums
#91
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#92
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HAHAHAHA... That is hilarious... The best part about it, is that i can't tell if your agreeing with me or not... haha... Either way, its hilarious!
and as for "I've always heard the best regional to go to is the first one that hires you..(with some exceptions obviously)...If you have plans for something better. If you are 40, and obviously going to be a LIFER, then you better try for a good company. Those of you who arent 40, go get your time, and keep yours bills low, and DO YOUR TIME....."
I couldn't agree more.
and as for "I've always heard the best regional to go to is the first one that hires you..(with some exceptions obviously)...If you have plans for something better. If you are 40, and obviously going to be a LIFER, then you better try for a good company. Those of you who arent 40, go get your time, and keep yours bills low, and DO YOUR TIME....."
I couldn't agree more.
Im agreeing with you..... Suck it up and do your time.... Im sorry if some guy who is 45 with a family wanted to chase their dream and now is regretting it on regionals pay..... But most people getting started right now do have aspirations to go to majors, charter, corporate, whatever it may be.....ERJ time is ERJ time whether u got it at TSA, and lived in a shack, or whether its at Republic...... If all you want is time to move on and you can handle it, then do your time.... I had one interview, took it, got hired, and went.... Thats it! Im fine with my decision, I will be poor for a few years, but oh well, I will make it work!
#93
I bet many of you would freak out if the captain of an RJ had to go to the bathroom while in flight and you now had to become the sole operator of the plane.
#94
Originally posted by GetErDun
I can fly a big jet plane by myself, or a King Air at least
I can fly a big jet plane by myself, or a King Air at least
My version is already up to a 16,200lb MGTOW.
AWR's are great things if you need to add another widget to the airplane but don't have enough available payload weight. Who cares when the wing spar is going to snap?
#95
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The regional airline industry is very impressive. Low pay didn't start out by us saying- we'll fly a CRJ for $19,000/year.
However-when these pay scales were set the competetive minimums at carriers were 2500TT/500 Multi/200 Instrument etc etc etc. Well, flight instructors, like those regional captains and major FO's of today couldn't stand instructing anymore. So they jumped on whatever "airline" they could- warranting the company to abuse them with pay, contract ETC. If they didn't like it- they could go back to instructing.
How come no one remembers when US Airways guys told management to shove it when they went to the pilot union and asked them to fly EMB170's? Well now the 170's are going to RAH and the same pilots who we're "Too Good" for those, are complaining that those should be their airplanes. If these major guys would swallow their pride and fly the damn airplane, the regionals would not be what they are today.
Now, it's our generations job to take back what our bretheren lost.
However-when these pay scales were set the competetive minimums at carriers were 2500TT/500 Multi/200 Instrument etc etc etc. Well, flight instructors, like those regional captains and major FO's of today couldn't stand instructing anymore. So they jumped on whatever "airline" they could- warranting the company to abuse them with pay, contract ETC. If they didn't like it- they could go back to instructing.
How come no one remembers when US Airways guys told management to shove it when they went to the pilot union and asked them to fly EMB170's? Well now the 170's are going to RAH and the same pilots who we're "Too Good" for those, are complaining that those should be their airplanes. If these major guys would swallow their pride and fly the damn airplane, the regionals would not be what they are today.
Now, it's our generations job to take back what our bretheren lost.
#96
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So I suppose that all of those eurpean carriers aircrafts are just falling out of the sky then, since a large portion of there training is done through ab initio training programs. And I really do guess, that flying around the pea patch doing stalls and slowflight, makes you a lot more suited to flying 121, than someone who may have less time, but has trained exclusively for that purpose. just out of curiosity as an example, how many people in your new hire class could explain exemption 3585 before classes even started? Knew what a PACK was, and had an extensive understanding of how it worked? Had a thurough understanding of high altitude aerodynamics? Core Lock? Understood, the whitlow interpritation? Every one of the AB kids in my class could. I am not saying that our pay is great, or we don't deserve more. If that happened, it would drive the minimums back up. Which would be a good thing. But I am saying, that before you insult a low time guy, get a handle on his experience level. The old idiom of, if i fly for 3000+ hours without killing myself or bending an airplane, it must mean i am a good pilot, is dead. Better training = better suited for the carreer. All low time pilots are not equal. 250 hours @ Joe's FBO and crabshack, will not be the same as 250 hours @ a specialty program like lufthansa's. Add in there sim training, a couple of type ratings, etc. They have a pretty diverse resume. As someone said earlier, the military has pilots that are qualified pic with that kind of experience. You don't see there aircraft dropping like flies, infact, many consider there training to be the best in the world.
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The regional airline industry is very impressive. Low pay didn't start out by us saying- we'll fly a CRJ for $19,000/year.
However-when these pay scales were set the competetive minimums at carriers were 2500TT/500 Multi/200 Instrument etc etc etc. Well, flight instructors, like those regional captains and major FO's of today couldn't stand instructing anymore. So they jumped on whatever "airline" they could- warranting the company to abuse them with pay, contract ETC. If they didn't like it- they could go back to instructing.
How come no one remembers when US Airways guys told management to shove it when they went to the pilot union and asked them to fly EMB170's? Well now the 170's are going to RAH and the same pilots who we're "Too Good" for those, are complaining that those should be their airplanes. If these major guys would swallow their pride and fly the damn airplane, the regionals would not be what they are today.
Now, it's our generations job to take back what our bretheren lost.
However-when these pay scales were set the competetive minimums at carriers were 2500TT/500 Multi/200 Instrument etc etc etc. Well, flight instructors, like those regional captains and major FO's of today couldn't stand instructing anymore. So they jumped on whatever "airline" they could- warranting the company to abuse them with pay, contract ETC. If they didn't like it- they could go back to instructing.
How come no one remembers when US Airways guys told management to shove it when they went to the pilot union and asked them to fly EMB170's? Well now the 170's are going to RAH and the same pilots who we're "Too Good" for those, are complaining that those should be their airplanes. If these major guys would swallow their pride and fly the damn airplane, the regionals would not be what they are today.
Now, it's our generations job to take back what our bretheren lost.
#99
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not that simple
The problem may be that sometimes good pilots wash out and bad pilots makes it.........
Its all up to the individual Sim instructors and the specifics of the program.
That you made it at the "Super Regionals program" does not make you a good pilot (I have seen terrible examples making it) furthermore maturity and experience is something related with time, life time and you may pass the training but lack both...........
#100
I agree . . . It would do the industry a world of good if many of these younger (in age) pilots would eat some Humble Pie now and then . . .
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