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JoeyMeatballs 07-06-2007 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by poor pilot (Post 191215)
In fact the 50 year old chain smoking coffee drinking chicks are looking better every turn(LOL)

Yeah I know what ya mean............last F/A I flew with, her face looked like an old leather shoe..........:p

kalyx522 07-06-2007 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 191136)
FO's that do the checklist by memory instead of picking up and readingTHE actual CHECKLIST.

I have a friend who was vehemently arguing with me that in the "real world" you have to memorize your checklist because you just dont have time to pick it up and read it off in certain situations (he was using the before takeoff checklist as an example).
I mean obviously I have the flows memorized but the idea of "backing up" your flow with your "memorized checklist"??!!! The whole point of doing the checklist is that our memories aren't fool-proof no matter how much you think it might be!!
I'm sure he didn't start out this way when he was a new hire.. probably picked it up somewhere along the way from someone else who told him that it was OK and even practical. Even though he's a good friend, I don't look forward to flying with pilots who practice these kind of habits.

Fokker28 07-06-2007 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by CL65driver (Post 189564)
My pet peeve is when the non flying pilot keeps hitting the heading sync when the AP is engaged and in LNAV.

I hate that, too. I always set it back to where I had, but only if he is watching me do it!

Fokker28 07-06-2007 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by kalyx522 (Post 191220)
I have a friend who was vehemently arguing with me that in the "real world" you have to memorize your checklist because you just dont have time to pick it up and read it off in certain situations (he was using the before takeoff checklist as an example).
I mean obviously I have the flows memorized but the idea of "backing up" your flow with your "memorized checklist"??!!! The whole point of doing the checklist is that our memories aren't fool-proof no matter how much you think it might be!!
I'm sure he didn't start out this way when he was a new hire.. probably picked it up somewhere along the way from someone else who told him that it was OK and even practical. Even though he's a good friend, I don't look forward to flying with pilots who practice these kind of habits.

Wow. There's no such thing as being in too much of a hurry to read a normal checklist. Period. If he thinks there is, he needs to re-prioritize.

Fokker28 07-06-2007 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by SharkyBN584 (Post 190993)
My pet peeve is when you do something like run a checklist at the time it's supposed to be run and the CA gets all irritated because he didn't 'ask' for it. :D

P.S. - Prior to reading this thread, I was discussing exactly this scenario with my CA. Our new joke is now "I haven't called for that yet!!!!!!" anytime someone makes a common sense move in the cockpit...

FOs who suddenly blurt out checklists while I'm not ready for them!

POPA 07-06-2007 04:43 PM

CAs who don't step on GoJet!

Fokker28 07-06-2007 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 189947)
Yea- he said after a 3-day that he didn't want conflict in the cockpit but when I said standard calls and profiles that would include autopilot on at 600'. I explained that the red AP disconnect button works on the FO side and the AP still "happened" to work when CALLED FOR above 10K and that when given a brief and I conclude with "any questions" or "cool with you (after a couple days of flying with someone)" that this issue should be brought up at that time- not at 600' after we already hashed this out numerous times. He was a bit controlling... Not a fan of that- CA authority is a bit different than trying control someone!

Was that at QX?

Fokker28 07-06-2007 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by elcid79 (Post 189569)
just sloppy to not have it lined up... one of mine is to have it all cockeyed in the wrong direction.. haha...

If you look, sometimes maybe it IS lined up- with the course. At least, that is the way I like it. It reinforces the fact that I am not on a vector (old habit from an old airplane).

freezingflyboy 07-06-2007 04:59 PM

CAs who remind me that I am in magenta needles when given an "intercept the localizer" clearance 30 miles out. I know that technically it's supposed to be in green needles but have they ever seen Mr. Honeywell fly? That somnabitch is all over the place until you get to about 20 miles, and even then depending on where you're at and if they are crossing airplanes in front of the LOC antennae you may still be S-turning.

RJ Pilot 07-06-2007 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 191350)
CAs who remind me that I am in magenta needles when given an "intercept the localizer" clearance 30 miles out. I know that technically it's supposed to be in green needles but have they ever seen Mr. Honeywell fly? That somnabitch is all over the place until you get to about 20 miles, and even then depending on where you're at and if they are crossing airplanes in front of the LOC antennae you may still be S-turning.

You might be slightly offcourse if you follow magenta.One way to take care of that is to go on HDG mode till u get closer.
Do what the CA tells you to.He is the final authority.


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