Moving to the US
04-25-2023, 05:22 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Toga10
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so thoroughly. I'm aware I have 0 121 time and therefore can't apply as DEC as stated in my OP.
I didn't know about the issue regarding SIC time in single-pilot airplane with a foreign operator but what about FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i):
Thank you for all the other inputs. Taking notes.
I didn't know about the issue regarding SIC time in single-pilot airplane with a foreign operator but what about FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i):
Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-
Except when logging flight time under § 61.159(c), when the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
Wouldn't that cover my case? If yes, that means I could log all my PF time on the PC-12 as PIC under FAA (not PM time).Thank you for all the other inputs. Taking notes.
My recommendation also, as said before, is to get some legal advice, and get it in writing. Please let us know how it goes..Good luck !!
Fly safe,
B757
04-25-2023, 09:44 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Toga10
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so thoroughly. I'm aware I have 0 121 time and therefore can't apply as DEC as stated in my OP.
I didn't know about the issue regarding SIC time in single-pilot airplane with a foreign operator but what about FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i):
Thank you for all the other inputs. Taking notes.
I didn't know about the issue regarding SIC time in single-pilot airplane with a foreign operator but what about FAR 61.51(e)(1)(i):
Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-
Except when logging flight time under § 61.159(c), when the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
Wouldn't that cover my case? If yes, that means I could log all my PF time on the PC-12 as PIC under FAA (not PM time).Thank you for all the other inputs. Taking notes.
I don't know of any reason why that would not be allowed on a non-US aircraft, but I'd probably try to run the legality to ground in writing, as B757 suggested. US CFI's are specifically authorized to give instruction towards US certs and ratings in foriegn aircraft, and nothing says aeronautical experience needs to be acquired in an N-numbered aircraft.
You probably want a separate logbook for FAA time, which is relatively easy with an electronic logbook... make another copy and then adjust it as needed.
However... while Sole Man PIC is legal for specific FAA purposes and is always legal to log, most employers in the US consider "PIC" to be actual command time, when you signed for the aircraft. If you log Sole Man PIC I would keep a separate column for that so as not to muddy any waters with employers. When you fill out job applications read the fine print carefully. You can probably always use it as total time for employment as well as aeronuatical experience purposes.
05-01-2023, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Legally for FAA purposes yes I think you can log Sole Manipulator time as total time and PIC.
I don't know of any reason why that would not be allowed on a non-US aircraft, but I'd probably try to run the legality to ground in writing, as B757 suggested. US CFI's are specifically authorized to give instruction towards US certs and ratings in foriegn aircraft, and nothing says aeronautical experience needs to be acquired in an N-numbered aircraft.
You probably want a separate logbook for FAA time, which is relatively easy with an electronic logbook... make another copy and then adjust it as needed.
However... while Sole Man PIC is legal for specific FAA purposes and is always legal to log, most employers in the US consider "PIC" to be actual command time, when you signed for the aircraft. If you log Sole Man PIC I would keep a separate column for that so as not to muddy any waters with employers. When you fill out job applications read the fine print carefully. You can probably always use it as total time for employment as well as aeronuatical experience purposes.
I don't know of any reason why that would not be allowed on a non-US aircraft, but I'd probably try to run the legality to ground in writing, as B757 suggested. US CFI's are specifically authorized to give instruction towards US certs and ratings in foriegn aircraft, and nothing says aeronautical experience needs to be acquired in an N-numbered aircraft.
You probably want a separate logbook for FAA time, which is relatively easy with an electronic logbook... make another copy and then adjust it as needed.
However... while Sole Man PIC is legal for specific FAA purposes and is always legal to log, most employers in the US consider "PIC" to be actual command time, when you signed for the aircraft. If you log Sole Man PIC I would keep a separate column for that so as not to muddy any waters with employers. When you fill out job applications read the fine print carefully. You can probably always use it as total time for employment as well as aeronuatical experience purposes.
05-02-2023, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
There is no way you’re logging “PIC” in the right seat of a plane. Or even the left seat if you didn’t sign the logbook.
Sure you can, it's legal per the FAA, counts for some aeronautical experience requirements and even for employment with the FAA. I think you do need to be an authorized/required crew member, which could be SIC or student pilot or even a CFI. Common enough in general aviation and flight training.
But it's not the norm in professional turbine aviation, and I certainly wouldn't mix that time with your actual PIC.
05-02-2023, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
There is no way you’re logging “PIC” in the right seat of a plane. Or even the left seat if you didn’t sign the logbook.
05-05-2023, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Toga10
Hi,
I’m a 38yo dual US/EU citizen pilot living in Europe and currently flying the PC-12 on a commercial (officially) multi-pilot operation. I’ve got both EASA and FAA licences (FAA SE CPL (no ME), EASA ME CPL). I’ve got 2400 TT, of which 1050 PIC, 70 hours ME, 800 instructing.
Given the job market and the opportunities there I’m thinking about moving to the US with the ultimate goal of working for one of the majors.
I’ve been browsing the forum quite a bit and I’ve reached the following conclusions (please correct me if I’m wrong on one of them.):
- I’ve got 0 hour under part 121.
- only a few regionals are hiring 0-hour like me.
- For revenue optimisation I should target regionals that don’t offer hiring bonuses before going to one that offers some once I get the hours (~500 or ~900 part 121-hours).
- It seems that when your application interest them you can get invited for interviews within a week or so, so I assume I should already be in the US before applying to any operator.
My questions are basically:
- which regionals are hiring 0-hour part 121 like me?
- Are there part 135 PC-12 operations that would allow me to build part-121 recognised hours? I assume that with 1100 hours on the 12 I would attract at least some attention from some operators?
It’s hard for me, currently outside the country and only in touch with a few US pilots to know where to start my research.
Thank you!
I’m a 38yo dual US/EU citizen pilot living in Europe and currently flying the PC-12 on a commercial (officially) multi-pilot operation. I’ve got both EASA and FAA licences (FAA SE CPL (no ME), EASA ME CPL). I’ve got 2400 TT, of which 1050 PIC, 70 hours ME, 800 instructing.
Given the job market and the opportunities there I’m thinking about moving to the US with the ultimate goal of working for one of the majors.
I’ve been browsing the forum quite a bit and I’ve reached the following conclusions (please correct me if I’m wrong on one of them.):
- I’ve got 0 hour under part 121.
- only a few regionals are hiring 0-hour like me.
- For revenue optimisation I should target regionals that don’t offer hiring bonuses before going to one that offers some once I get the hours (~500 or ~900 part 121-hours).
- It seems that when your application interest them you can get invited for interviews within a week or so, so I assume I should already be in the US before applying to any operator.
My questions are basically:
- which regionals are hiring 0-hour part 121 like me?
- Are there part 135 PC-12 operations that would allow me to build part-121 recognised hours? I assume that with 1100 hours on the 12 I would attract at least some attention from some operators?
It’s hard for me, currently outside the country and only in touch with a few US pilots to know where to start my research.
Thank you!
05-05-2023, 04:04 AM
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I was under the impression that if the time was logged legally in another ICAO member state that the time would be recognized under the FAA.
If the OP is flying for a PC-12 operation that legitimately (under that registration’s rules) requires a SIC then the FAA will recognize that time.
If the OP is flying for a PC-12 operation that legitimately (under that registration’s rules) requires a SIC then the FAA will recognize that time.
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