Rephrased...Sorry...Captain Upgrade Minimums
#1
Sorry about the earlier thread...What are the captain upgrade mins at the various regionals? Is it just having an ATP certificate? Yeah, and that previous thread can be deleted.
#2
The problem some people had with the last thread was not the title, it was the content. This question has been discussed in detail numerous times, regarding numerous airlines. It is compared to the "Jet or T-prop" threads because that one as well as has been seen hundreds of times. Your best bet is to utilize the search function that this forum offers.
On another note..
I am not with the regionals but what I have learned from the search function is that most companies are looking in the ballpark of 2000TT with 1000 in type before upgrade. An ATP is not required since your type rating covers the ATP when you upgrade.
And on another note... It was also discussed here in a previous thread that the upgrade times do not matter ie. upgrades taking 1 year, 2 years etc because if you got hired at say 500 hours and flew 700 per year it would take you over 2 years to even be eligible for an upgrade as far as times are concerned which I feel is yet another reason to not jump the cfi ship at 300-600 TT.
Hope some of this helps, someone with actual knowledge of the subject and regional experience can jump in but I think I am pretty close on the numbers. do NOT expect someone to just list the upgrade requirements for every airline
On another note..
I am not with the regionals but what I have learned from the search function is that most companies are looking in the ballpark of 2000TT with 1000 in type before upgrade. An ATP is not required since your type rating covers the ATP when you upgrade.
And on another note... It was also discussed here in a previous thread that the upgrade times do not matter ie. upgrades taking 1 year, 2 years etc because if you got hired at say 500 hours and flew 700 per year it would take you over 2 years to even be eligible for an upgrade as far as times are concerned which I feel is yet another reason to not jump the cfi ship at 300-600 TT.
Hope some of this helps, someone with actual knowledge of the subject and regional experience can jump in but I think I am pretty close on the numbers. do NOT expect someone to just list the upgrade requirements for every airline
#3
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Regional upgrade mins are typically 2500-3000 Total Time, with 1000 turbine time. You will need the ATP written, but not an ATP certificate. There are a lot of variations between companies however. These are common additional requirements:
ICAO ATP mins (for companies that do international flying, including Mexico): The hard part here is you need 1200 hours of PIC time, which you are not going to have if joined an airline at 500 hours. Mesa implemented this unexpectedly this in 2003-2004 and a lot of MAPD FO's were buying blocks of CE-150 time
Probably cheaper to CFI for 1200 hours.Turbine 121 or Turbine Crew Time: 1000 hours
Also you do NOT need any time in type in most cases, but it would certainly make training easier if you have some.
Upgrade mins are not set in stone in the FAR's, they are between the airline and their insurance company so they can be changed if needed. But obviously no lower than ATP mins.
#4
How about this. Why don't we take the time to ANSWER THE ACTUAL QUESTION, and compile a list of the minimums for each company. Then we can sticky this thread (or better yet, HSLD can add the info to each airline's page) rather than go round and round and round... </rant>
I don't have access to any current info right now, but here's what I have in mind as a "sample entry":
I don't have access to any current info right now, but here's what I have in mind as a "sample entry":
Atlantic Coast Airlines
In order to be eligible for upgrade to Captain:
Must be eligible to acquire ATP per FARs (or hold ATP certificate)
Must have current ATP written completed (or hold ATP certificate)
Current first class medical
Must not have reached 60th birthday
Minimum Experience Requirements (per the FOM, waivable by the ACA Director of Operations or his appointee):
Turbojet Aircraft: 2500TT + 1000ME, or 2000TT + 1500ME, or 2000TT and 1 year as an active pilot with ACA (no LOAs).
Turboprop Aircraft: 2000TT + 1000ME, or 1700TT +1500ME.
In order to be eligible for upgrade to Captain:
Must be eligible to acquire ATP per FARs (or hold ATP certificate)
Must have current ATP written completed (or hold ATP certificate)
Current first class medical
Must not have reached 60th birthday
Minimum Experience Requirements (per the FOM, waivable by the ACA Director of Operations or his appointee):
Turbojet Aircraft: 2500TT + 1000ME, or 2000TT + 1500ME, or 2000TT and 1 year as an active pilot with ACA (no LOAs).
Turboprop Aircraft: 2000TT + 1000ME, or 1700TT +1500ME.
#5
Good idea flyerjosh...
TSA's upgrade mins.
2000 total, 1000 multi, 500 turbine.
The company will credit you up to 500 hours for time in type with TSA in both total and multi, making the lowest possible mins 1500 total, 500 multi, and 500 turbine.
TSA's upgrade mins.
2000 total, 1000 multi, 500 turbine.
The company will credit you up to 500 hours for time in type with TSA in both total and multi, making the lowest possible mins 1500 total, 500 multi, and 500 turbine.
#7
The problem some people had with the last thread was not the title, it was the content. This question has been discussed in detail numerous times, regarding numerous airlines. It is compared to the "Jet or T-prop" threads because that one as well as has been seen hundreds of times. Your best bet is to utilize the search function that this forum offers.
On another note..
I am not with the regionals but what I have learned from the search function is that most companies are looking in the ballpark of 2000TT with 1000 in type before upgrade. An ATP is not required since your type rating covers the ATP when you upgrade.
And on another note... It was also discussed here in a previous thread that the upgrade times do not matter ie. upgrades taking 1 year, 2 years etc because if you got hired at say 500 hours and flew 700 per year it would take you over 2 years to even be eligible for an upgrade as far as times are concerned which I feel is yet another reason to not jump the cfi ship at 300-600 TT.
Hope some of this helps, someone with actual knowledge of the subject and regional experience can jump in but I think I am pretty close on the numbers. do NOT expect someone to just list the upgrade requirements for every airline
On another note..
I am not with the regionals but what I have learned from the search function is that most companies are looking in the ballpark of 2000TT with 1000 in type before upgrade. An ATP is not required since your type rating covers the ATP when you upgrade.
And on another note... It was also discussed here in a previous thread that the upgrade times do not matter ie. upgrades taking 1 year, 2 years etc because if you got hired at say 500 hours and flew 700 per year it would take you over 2 years to even be eligible for an upgrade as far as times are concerned which I feel is yet another reason to not jump the cfi ship at 300-600 TT.
Hope some of this helps, someone with actual knowledge of the subject and regional experience can jump in but I think I am pretty close on the numbers. do NOT expect someone to just list the upgrade requirements for every airline
#8
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SKW Upgrade Requirements:
- ATP Written
- Current First Class
- 2500 Fixed Wing
- 1000 ME
- 1000 Turbine
- 1000 Company Flight Flight Time or Equivalent.
"Equivalent" is considered Crew/ME/Turbine, ie airline, some military (not fighters), two-pilot 135 or even 91. Basically two (or more) turbine engines and two pilots.
- ATP Written
- Current First Class
- 2500 Fixed Wing
- 1000 ME
- 1000 Turbine
- 1000 Company Flight Flight Time or Equivalent.
"Equivalent" is considered Crew/ME/Turbine, ie airline, some military (not fighters), two-pilot 135 or even 91. Basically two (or more) turbine engines and two pilots.
#9
Regional upgrade mins are typically 2500-3000 Total Time, with 1000 turbine time. You will need the ATP written, but not an ATP certificate. There are a lot of variations between companies however. These are common additional requirements:
ICAO ATP mins (for companies that do international flying, including Mexico): The hard part here is you need 1200 hours of PIC time, which you are not going to have if joined an airline at 500 hours. Mesa implemented this unexpectedly this in 2003-2004 and a lot of MAPD FO's were buying blocks of CE-150 time
Probably cheaper to CFI for 1200 hours.
ICAO ATP mins (for companies that do international flying, including Mexico): The hard part here is you need 1200 hours of PIC time, which you are not going to have if joined an airline at 500 hours. Mesa implemented this unexpectedly this in 2003-2004 and a lot of MAPD FO's were buying blocks of CE-150 time
Probably cheaper to CFI for 1200 hours.
#10
Mesaba Upgrade Mins, passed along from a good friend/CA there:
ATP Minimums +
1000 Hours at Mesaba or 2 years of Service*
*If no eligible pilots have 1000 hrs/2 years of service, then CA vacancies will be awarded in seniority order. (IE no street captains until all eligible line pilots with ATP mins upgrade or bypass).
ATP Minimums +
1000 Hours at Mesaba or 2 years of Service*
*If no eligible pilots have 1000 hrs/2 years of service, then CA vacancies will be awarded in seniority order. (IE no street captains until all eligible line pilots with ATP mins upgrade or bypass).
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