you would have to really avoid flying to take 5 years. I, and most every person from my class and friends are between 70-90/month. One real busy dude is at 95. DCA new pilots seem to be the slowest but everyone I know has a line so 75 hours

80 hours a month is 13 months to upgrade -CA pay at 850. A month in CA class then 2 years as CA.

 

thank you. How long is the training footprint? How long is reserve, especially for bases like BOS?

 

BOS is a terrible base as we're extrem FO heavy. No way to get assigned it unless your a CA.
LGA isn't great either, its like 1.5-2 yrs to a line.

I have friends and classmates at every other base and we all have lines. No one was on reserve more than 5 months I think

Training is pretty quick, if I remember it was 1 wilk for ATPCTP, 2 there for indoc, 2 home for sys, 4 back for trainers and sims. Week off then right to IOE.

​​​​​​Right now it sounds like we're hiring for May/June.

 

What are the requirements of the contract? You can't leave for 5 years or you have to repay the training bond?

 

The basic requirement to fulfill the deal is 2 years as CA or 5 years total. There is a non-compete clause that is quite punitive.

For more specifics, see below. Page 7, Post#61. NJflyguy does a great job with updates.
Teamsters law suit over new hire contract - Page 7 - Airline Pilot Central Forums (airlinepilotforums.com)

 

If you're not 20 then you should be old enough to know advancement typically requires some sort of sacrifice. Currently, what are you willing to sacrifice? You mention owning a home. Are you single, married, kids, anything else requiring you to keep that home or stay in that location? Any other ways to decrese expenses?

Have you had your applications reviewed by a third party prep company? In one instance, you stated you got a TBNT notice pretty quickly. That is indicadive of checking (or not checking) a box incorrectly. Additionally, lots of these companies have connections at various airlines to help give you a leg up.

Have you looked into FlexJet or NetJets? They are homebased carriers and will provide you an ATP along with your type. So you get to live where you live, no need to sell the house, and they pay more than $63k. I mention this because you previously stated you have the written complete but not financially able to finish the cert on your own and offer this suggestion as a potential work-around without knowing if they have any sort of bond or training contract.

Lots of advice on the internet but so far you have not presented your case very well in the eyes of the keyboard counselors here. You've been on every forum, including the majors, seemingly expecting that you're a shoe-in because you have turbine time.

 

this makes me laugh and reminds me of making 12000/ year a Great Lakes. Times and expectations have changed.

 

Thanks. That's ugly. The contracts I've seen typically cover the first year.

 

Yeah that's the next step. Can you make any recommendations?

 

FWIW - It's HAL - pronounced "nepobabyairlines" - one of the last remaining which plays that game in OT.