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Great Lakes washout rate has been about 40% over the years.

I believe that it has improved latley. Captain upgrade training has a fairly high washout rate as well.

This is mostly due to the challenge of flying the sim. The 1900 sim is not easy, and of course there is no autopilot to rely on. All handflown, and the sim is much less stable than the airplane. It's a scan builder, and if you come to training without a solid scan, you won't make it through.

How do you washout of newhire RJ training? FMS, Autopilot, flight director all available, and with approaches loaded out of the box. Follow the profiles and callouts, how hard can it be? I have a hard time believing people fail this stuff. Must really be the wrong line of work to not be able to pass this.

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1333027)

I think it's the attention to detail. On the ERJ the max imbalance is 800lbs, and if you crossfeed the engines, get distracted with something else then you can get back to within 100lbs, and keep going to 800+ the otherway. The second you hit 801, you failed the ride. Stuff like that...

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Originally Posted by EatMyPropwash (Post 1333154)

Well you'd have to cancel a master caution when the tanks get within 100 lbs of each other. So yeah pretty stupid if you then allow it to continue to 801 the other way.

Just curious, how difficult is the training for the CRJ or ERJ for someone who does not have any 121 experience or jet time?

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Originally Posted by AVIATORCFI (Post 1333176)

Just curious, how difficult is the training for the CRJ or ERJ for someone who does not have any 121 experience or jet time?

Study, work hard, keep a good attitude. The great majority of new hires at L-ASA have no 121 or jet time.

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Originally Posted by AVIATORCFI (Post 1333176)

Just curious, how difficult is the training for the CRJ or ERJ for someone who does not have any 121 experience or jet time?

Lots of people do it. Frankly I think it's easier than most turboprops for someone with a piston background...fewer moving parts.

If you don't have glass experience, get some before training. A PC-based flight sim game works fine for that...just pick a realistic airplane (not the SR-71 or space shuttle).

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1333195)

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Do you think the ATP JET TRANSITION COURSE would be worth to take it?

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Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 1333002)

Great Lakes washout rate has been about 40% over the years.

I believe that it has improved lately. Captain upgrade training has a fairly high washout rate as well.

This is mostly due to the challenge of flying the sim. The 1900 sim is not easy, and of course there is no autopilot to rely on. All handflown, and the sim is much less stable than the airplane. It's a scan builder, and if you come to training without a solid scan, you won't make it through.

Dead on from what know as well. For new recruits, there also may be a good number of these washouts due to ATP standards being applied to people with much less than 1500 hours coupled with not much turbine experience.

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Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 196785)

I was in that Chautauqua class until my Mom became very ill from her breast cancer treatment. So I left, but it wasn't due to partying. As for the people who washed out, by in large they were not the ones who were partying. In fact, two of the failures were 145 pilots for Mesa and ExpressJet. That just blew me away. The other five who did not finish had various issues.

In general, the experience at Flight Safety was uneven to say the least. There were lots of schedule changes and Chautauqua procedures were ignored by the staff for the most part. The worst part was the check airman. Friends from the class told me that he did nothing but swear at them during the check ride. This came from each person to whom I spoke. FWIW, he has a terrible reputation among the other check airmen and line pilots.

For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.

Rick is right, that is not the norm. ASA has a great training dept (except for one or two) and I've never had someone cuss me out. But.... a piece of advice; Cowboy the F%8k up! If you can't handle someone using profanity you're not going to make it on line when the ramper, gate agent, F/A and Captain have all rubbed you the wrong way on about your 3rd day of 5 hours of sleep.

I learn to fly with a guy who hit me in the helmet and then smacked the VSI or Altimeter (to increase my scan).

I'm not picking on you, but a little mental toughness will serve you well. It's possible he's doing on purpose to rattle your cage, just to see how you'll deal with the pressure. Don't let it get to you. Make a game of it. Tell yourself there is nothing he can do to you that will prevent you from flying the plane well.

Stick

Stick,
That is the most insulting thing I have ever herd. No one should ever tolerate a ahole who can't speak with a professional tone. A one off is ok, but not acceptable during training.
And I have been around the block plenty.