It will make your life easier, but that alone is not worth the money if you're a starving CFI. If you have plenty of money, go for it.

Never, ever be cursed at, insulted or intimidated. Those actions are all unacceptable. This is a business enviornment. Be a professional and demand to be treated as one.

In one training evolution, I experienced this (frankly, I was treated like dirt -- something I didn't experience before or since) by a company I call Fly UnSafely. And when I approached their management, they plastered it over.

An instructor creating this kind of environment is akin to the old school cAPTAINs that believed copilots weren't smart enough to be flight attendants.

I have no issues with a guy pushing me hard, but I'm not sh@t, and I refuse to be treated as such. Nor should anyone. That is why we have CRM classes.

Guess some folks are cut from a different cloth.

I've never had a problem with someone cursing or yelling in the training environment, and I've seen plenty of that in the AF fighter community.

Professionalism is not defined by weather or not someone curses. It isn't about "what's acceptable", because as a new guy you are joining the company, it isn't joining you. It isn't up to you for the company's actions to meet your standards, it is the other way around (so long as you actually want the job you are training for), otherwise the airline would be knocking on your door and submitting an application to you.

The typical military aviation training techniques of fear, intimidation and ridicule aren't really applicable in a Part 121 (or even worse, Part 142) training environment.

Probably better go serve in the military before you make blanket statements like that.

Initial military training (Boot camp and OCS) has to break some bad habits, make some new ones, and most importantly test whether someone can hold up as a team member in an extremely high-pressure situation. Some folks have personality mechanisms or even latent mental illness that needs to be discovered now, not later in combat. This requires taking people far out of their comfort zone. There are specific rules as to how you go about this and specific reasons for doing everything that is done, and instructors who deviate end up booted or in jail.

Subsequent training (flight school, artillery school, infantry, whatever) may be technically or physically challenging but should not involve "fear, intimidation, or ridicule". If it does, somebody needs to be fired.

IMO we would have better civilian airline pilots if they all had to get filtered through some sort of "boot camp" system. Cops have to do it...

Don't believe all that BS that comes out of hollywood :rolleyes:

Would you like to see my NGB-22?

There's a difference between colorful language (especially in the military where it's embedded in our culture) and abuse and derision. Well-placed profanity can be useful to reinforce a very important point...especially where lives are stake. Not acceptable in a typical civilian workplace, but then the entire office building is not going to spin in either.

In the past I've seen too many loser tools gravitate towards the schoolhouse because they think they can let their inner a-hole run free with impunity. Fortunately both the military and the airlines have reigned those guys in...I've even fired a couple once I figured out what they were all about.

Then why would you make that statement?

Unless you served in one unit and it was a bad one.

What statement - this one?

I don't disagree with the benefit of a "boot camp" type filter; hell I think the same would be said of society as a whole. But we're not talking about Basic or Boot, UPT/PFT or even the rise of SNAPs...,we're talking civilian aviation training.

I'd like to think by the time one becomes a professional pilot we're all big boys and girls that can take a four-letter word and not be grossly offended...but IMO there are much, much more effective ways to instruct civilians than raising your voice or throwing a line of insults.