New hire washout rate?
07-16-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HercDriver130
Anybody have any idea what the washout rate is for newhires at say...AmEagle, XJET, Pinnacle....etc...
As far as XJT goes, it seems it was maybe 1 per class at most, maybe 1 per every other class. Although I have heard of cases where it was higher and lower. So those numbers are proabably just an average. 1 guy in my initial new hire class didn't make it. It had to do with him, not XJT's training department.
Being through both an initial course and and upgrade course at XJT, if somebody can't make it though either, it's not the training departments fault here. They don't spoonfeed you, but they will work with you to get you through.
07-16-2007, 02:20 PM
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Industry average for those with no previous 121: 10%
A rigorous interview process can reduce that...SKW is about 1%.
A few programs are notorious...mesa D-8 has been as high as 70%, and I heard one of the eastern regionals is about 50%. There' something wrong if it's that high...you probably don't want to work there anyway.
A rigorous interview process can reduce that...SKW is about 1%.
A few programs are notorious...mesa D-8 has been as high as 70%, and I heard one of the eastern regionals is about 50%. There' something wrong if it's that high...you probably don't want to work there anyway.
07-16-2007, 04:05 PM
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I just finished last month and we had a class of 32 and one had failed out. i know they gave him a few chances before sent him home. I had no previous 121 along with most from our class and it was hard but they really do everything for you. But you do have to ask and want the help or you WILL go home.
07-16-2007, 04:11 PM
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it averages at least one per class. there was one guy in my class at eagle who washed out on the atr and about 4 on the jet. the last chataqua class that went to houston had a bunch wash out cause they were partying all during systems.
07-16-2007, 05:02 PM
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I was in that Chautauqua class until my Mom became very ill from her breast cancer treatment. So I left, but it wasn't due to partying. As for the people who washed out, by in large they were not the ones who were partying. In fact, two of the failures were 145 pilots for Mesa and ExpressJet. That just blew me away. The other five who did not finish had various issues.
In general, the experience at Flight Safety was uneven to say the least. There were lots of schedule changes and Chautauqua procedures were ignored by the staff for the most part. The worst part was the check airman. Friends from the class told me that he did nothing but swear at them during the check ride. This came from each person to whom I spoke. FWIW, he has a terrible reputation among the other check airmen and line pilots.
For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.
In general, the experience at Flight Safety was uneven to say the least. There were lots of schedule changes and Chautauqua procedures were ignored by the staff for the most part. The worst part was the check airman. Friends from the class told me that he did nothing but swear at them during the check ride. This came from each person to whom I spoke. FWIW, he has a terrible reputation among the other check airmen and line pilots.
For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.
07-16-2007, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Whacker77
For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.
Every airline seems to have one @zz clown in the training dept, but constant profanity during a checkride is ridiculous. I'm a sailor but I would have sued the guy...that's not acceptable in the workplace during a formal evaluation.
07-16-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Whacker77
I was in that Chautauqua class until my Mom became very ill from her breast cancer treatment. So I left, but it wasn't due to partying. As for the people who washed out, by in large they were not the ones who were partying. In fact, two of the failures were 145 pilots for Mesa and ExpressJet. That just blew me away. The other five who did not finish had various issues.
In general, the experience at Flight Safety was uneven to say the least. There were lots of schedule changes and Chautauqua procedures were ignored by the staff for the most part. The worst part was the check airman. Friends from the class told me that he did nothing but swear at them during the check ride. This came from each person to whom I spoke. FWIW, he has a terrible reputation among the other check airmen and line pilots.
For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.
In general, the experience at Flight Safety was uneven to say the least. There were lots of schedule changes and Chautauqua procedures were ignored by the staff for the most part. The worst part was the check airman. Friends from the class told me that he did nothing but swear at them during the check ride. This came from each person to whom I spoke. FWIW, he has a terrible reputation among the other check airmen and line pilots.
For those with experience at other airlines, is a check airman who constantly uses profanity the rule or the exception? Personally, I think it's the height of unprofessionalism. Having said all that, had the guys been able to fly the manuevers, they would be on the line.
I learn to fly with a guy who hit me in the helmet and then smacked the VSI or Altimeter (to increase my scan).
I'm not picking on you, but a little mental toughness will serve you well. It's possible he's doing on purpose to rattle your cage, just to see how you'll deal with the pressure. Don't let it get to you. Make a game of it. Tell yourself there is nothing he can do to you that will prevent you from flying the plane well.
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