When will regionals hire again?
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My employer, Envoy, said in a company email that they plan to hire 600 pilots in 2025. They are bringing back professional sim instructors next month to increase their training capacity. They are planning for growth, attrition, and flow. I imagine that the other AA wholly owneds are making similar plans. I think the industry will start to see more movement in January when AA resumes training new pilots.
The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.
Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.
The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.
Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.
#42
Hmmm. Why would one ever think otherwise?
Perhaps because you made it such an issue. That was you, wasn't it? Hard to recall...
Will having my ATP help or hurt me?
Perhaps because you made it such an issue. That was you, wasn't it? Hard to recall...
Will having my ATP help or hurt me?
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But yea, he’s definitely overqualified. If he were applying to be a nasa astronaut, nasa would say he’s overqualified too. The shuttle is too easy for him. He would make the other shuttle pilots look like amateurs.
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I am afraid the days of getting hired to a 121 carrier just because you can fog a mirror a gone for the foreseeable future.
And the previous posters are absolutely correct regarding second career pilot's trainability.
And the previous posters are absolutely correct regarding second career pilot's trainability.
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FWIW, it seems that most regionals don't like second career types. Suposedly the reason behind that is a higher risk of failing out in training, satistically speaking; so I have been told. I have not researched the topic. So that could be one thing to look at as you reflect on the sound of crickets. Figuing out a way to get your ATP and a full type rating (as you have mentioned in the past) could help prove to recruiters you can successfully pass a training event.
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I've got six. The newer HR types don't put as much weight on types as much as they used to. Even less if the types were not done at a 121 carrier. Most of their training programs are geared toward the CFI to RJ type pilot.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.
Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.
You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.
Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.
You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.
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My employer, Envoy, said in a company email that they plan to hire 600 pilots in 2025. They are bringing back professional sim instructors next month to increase their training capacity. They are planning for growth, attrition, and flow. I imagine that the other AA wholly owneds are making similar plans. I think the industry will start to see more movement in January when AA resumes training new pilots.
The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.
Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.
The wildcard is Spirit which sent out an internal memo about more furloughs coming. Rumor is they are talking about merging with Frontier again, but they have been struggling and there is still a chance they may go out of business. When high time Spirit pilots get hired by the big 3, there is less room for regional captains to move up. The low time Spirit pilots may jump to the regionals, leaving less room for pilots looking for their first Part 121 job. Just the threat of furloughs is going to make more of their pilots job hunt and therefore slow down attrition at the regional airlines.
Keep updating your applications and consider getting an app review, resume re-write, and interview prep. Position yourself to be at the beginning of the next hiring wave. It's still going to be competitive.
Question, how many of the 600 pilots Envoy plans to hire will be from their cadet/academy program?
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I've got six. The newer HR types don't put as much weight on types as much as they used to. Even less if the types were not done at a 121 carrier. Most of their training programs are geared toward the CFI to RJ type pilot.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.
Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.
You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.
The CA boards, instructors and everybody else recognizes the significance of passing multiple 121 type ratings.... but it's kinda lost on the initial HR folks picking apps from the pile. They tend to value volunteerism over type ratings.
Networking is how you get jobs in this market. Every airline has more apps than jobs currently. You need a way to get noticed or pulled. Job fairs until they are sick of seeing you and interview you, or networking your tail off to get so many internals that HR is afraid of a mass revolt if they don't hire you.
You're strill not hired yet? with all your "qualifications." Maybe it's not the qualifications......
I'd go back and read JohnBurk's post again that he sent you.
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