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07-28-2007 | 10:03 AM
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From: M88B
So as one can see it costs a lot of money to run an airline poorly. I might drag out of bed to ride right seat for 136 an hour too.
07-28-2007 | 03:58 PM
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From: XJT furloughed due to non-ALPA undercutting
Keep in mind that Mesa pilots are ALPA and gojet were nothing / teamsters now. However, Mesa probably does have one of the worst ALPA contracts out their thanks to the whipsawing of their CEO.
Hopefully Mesa ALPA is getting ready for negotiations that start in September. Support is needed... go after it guys. Block or better or burn it down.
Hopefully Mesa ALPA is getting ready for negotiations that start in September. Support is needed... go after it guys. Block or better or burn it down.
07-28-2007 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by N2rotation
Hopefully Mesa ALPA is getting ready for negotiations that start in September. Support is needed... go after it guys. Block or better or burn it down.
07-28-2007 | 08:14 PM
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It happens at SKW as well, most of the time its new CA’s waiting for IOE who ride the right seat at 150% CA pay. I had a friend who was waiting for CA IOE and flew an 82 hour month as FO. His normal CA pay was $60 an hour and he was still paid his monthly guarantee seeing that all his FO flying was above and beyond his reserve pay, so here's how his month broke down:
Jr Manned: 82 hrs X ($60 X 150%) = $7,380
Plus:
Guarantee: 75 hrs X $60 = $4,500
$7,380 + $4,500 + $425 (per diem) = $12,305
NICE MONTH!
P.S. He couldn’t sitting reserve because he hadn’t finish IOE.
Jr Manned: 82 hrs X ($60 X 150%) = $7,380
Plus:
Guarantee: 75 hrs X $60 = $4,500
$7,380 + $4,500 + $425 (per diem) = $12,305
NICE MONTH!
P.S. He couldn’t sitting reserve because he hadn’t finish IOE.
And the Airlines still cry "POOR MOUTH," paying feabile wages to new FO's.
Good Deal for him though. I bet Accounting saw that and FREAKED! "Get him on IOE NOW!!!"
07-28-2007 | 08:38 PM
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From: SkyWest Capt.
Good Day!
07-28-2007 | 09:39 PM
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Alright, we'll see if I've got this straight...
Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.
From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...
Any corrections?
-Ben
Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.
From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...
Any corrections?
-Ben
07-29-2007 | 09:23 AM
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From: SkyWest Capt.
Alright, we'll see if I've got this straight...
Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.
From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...
Any corrections?
-Ben
Block time is the 'expected' flight time for a leg. Block or better means that if you complete the flight in less than the expected time, you still get paid for the block. However, if you get delayed and the flight takes longer....you get paid for what you flew.
From my feeble understanding, Mesa doesn't pay more than block, even if you get delayed...
Any corrections?
-Ben
Block or better means you get the higher of Historic Block and Actual Block.
Block is basically from when the brake is dropped for push back to when the brake is set after taxi in.
07-29-2007 | 10:13 AM
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From: RC-3 Seabee. Skipper of the A21 cutter.
Actually it's worse, MAG doesn't pay more than Historic Block which is the average over time. Most times that's much less than block seeing that block takes into account expected delays such as 15th in line at rush hour, flying the full route including DP's, SID's and approaches.
Block or better means you get the higher of Historic Block and Actual Block.
Block is basically from when the brake is dropped for push back to when the brake is set after taxi in.
Block or better means you get the higher of Historic Block and Actual Block.
Block is basically from when the brake is dropped for push back to when the brake is set after taxi in.
day 1: 7hrs
day 2: 5hrs
day 3: 8hrs
day 4: 4hrs
day 5: 8hrs
grand total = 32 hrs
average = 6.4 hrs/day
I don't think my arithmatic is making sense to even me but I just want to get a general idea of how average block and historic block works. Gracias.
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