The historic block is not by day, it is per each flight leg. They take the historic "average" of the time to fly between city pairs and that's what you get paid (only if the flight completes).

The average is artificially low, because the company "adjusts" block times that have significant delays. This keeps the historic average low and also keeps the pilot's weekly, monthly, and annual flight times lower than actual.

If you work at mesa you MUST keep your own written record of block times to ensure that you don't exceed flight time limits.

Exactly, Historic Block is a per leg basis; it's the historic average time it takes to fly from A to B. That's all you get paid at MAG, so if you hold, go missed approach and vectored around from another, go around, divert, 41st inline or what ever it maybe; you don't get paid for any overages. If you like working for free then MAG is right for you!

THIS IS HUGE; it's why MAG has the lowest labor cost in the industry and it costs their pilots an enormous about of pay that is rightfully theirs.

After all it was JO who said, “As long as there’s a stack of resumes on my desk then pilots are overpaid!” What a leader, if you want to follow someone into "hell."

Are you sure about the math here? Don't know the SKW contract but it would seem that 82 hours x 1.5 would be what your friend would get paid without the re-addition of the guarantee (75)you figured in...that would be getting paid twice in addition to JR pay. Nice but sounds too good to be true.

This is exactly how it works; it’s simple so pay attention. HE WAS NOT ELLIAGLE TO SIT RESERVE BECAUSE HE HAD NOT COMPLETED IOE and agreed to fly open time during his wait! So any flying he does is in addition to his monthly guarantee. Seeing that it was all Jr man time it was paid out at 150% above and beyond our guarantee. This is our agreement with Mgmnt and this is how all open time is paid, even for reservist.

If you are sitting reserve and pick up flying it does not count toward breaking guarantee, instead it is paid above and beyond (in addition too). BTW, I as well as everyone else at SKW takes advantage if these policies. It's one of the many reasons why we are among, if not the, highest paid.

I'm not certain, but I did hear that volunteer flying for those awaiting training goes on top of guarantee. Otherwise why volunteer? (you cannot be junior assigned at SKW). We're not at mesa anymore, lol

No, we're not!

I'm glad I asked about this because it was one part of the MAG contract that I was not sure on. I have no intentions of working for Mesa but I wanted to get a crystal clear understanding of why it is such a horrible place to work. The way they calculate block is the number one reason not to work there, at least for myself. I don't know how the MAG guys put up with it.

JO is one evil SOB. I hope karma catches up with him some day. Anyway, thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.

Sadly, it's not the worst reason not to be there...

Yeah, I know. But it's bad enough for me to say no.

Spot On! I have to agree. I would put down the red carpet for any MAG pilot that wasn't on the Freedumb A list. B and C listers are always welcome!!!