Pay is crap. They get away with it cause they know people will go for instant seniority. I was hoping to see something better so we at RAH have something to work off of. I guess we will have to do it on our own and raise the bar ourselves.

 

While I agree, I think you lose sight of the fact that airline pay is very limited by revenue generated on a particular aircraft. Small airliners such as 1900's, Dashes, SAABs, and 50-seat RJs will only ever generate small levels of revenue, and those pilots will only ever be able to justify small wages. The only way to offset this low wage (given the responsibility that even a small airliner pilot has) is having the prospect of earning higher wages, which can only be paid for by higher revenues, which can only be generated by more seats in the current US market. I believe the flat wage regardless of aircraft idea would work well in the bizjet world, where costs are more accurately passed to the clients, and revenue generation does not rely on passengers boarded but rather on hours flown.

 

Not the issue. Does it mean they cannot assign it (JM, EXT, TRNG?) Considering current staffing lines would be about 90 hours + WX + fine ramp service + JM will peak higher than 100. Does it mean you can go home on the 28th or just work for free?

 

Not to take things off topic, but that's BS. I don't think that there's a way that anybody can quantify what a 1900/Saab/Dash/CRJ makes in the big scheme of things.

Saying otherwise is just like saying that corporate jets don't make any money for companies. Why then can they be justified?

It's easy to say that regional aircraft only offer "small revenues" when compared to their "bigger brethren". However, in today's economy of scale and interconnected web of regional flights to international flights, it's impossible to tell exactly how much of an impact such flying has on it's parent. (The last time that any data might have been collected on this issue is during the Comair strike/shutdown).

Regional pilots sell themselves out anytime that they repeat the mantra of "we only carry so much revenue." Like I said, it will never happen on a national scale, but it requires the understanding that rather than having the "possibility of better QOL/Pay" for a small group of individuals that reach the pinnacle of the career, it's better for everybody to see the median wage increase, while the range of salaries (both low and high) moves towards the center. (IE regional pilots are paid more, while career major pilots are paid less in the end). The result would be a more even career progression, that could be based less on seniority and equipment and more on experience and longevity.

But like I said, it won't ever happen. (Unfortunately)

 

Hi!

The contract says "max credit" of 100 hours, so that means that no matter how much pay credit you build up, you'll only get paid for 100 hours.

That sux!

Guys at PCL have been scheduled for 98 hours. If Compass gets low on pilots, they will schedule guys for lots of hours, and all that vacation, incentive, and min pay for non-flying duties will go down the toilet.

I could see capping the max credit at some figure, but I would think 150 would be a reasonable number. An ATA check airman got 350 one month-I do think that's excessive.

cliff
YIP

 

Looks a lot like the ExpressJet contract... except XJT only flies 50 seaters!

 

It actually looks a lot worse than XJT's contract in many ways.

Refer to Comair and AWAC 2001 contracts for you to "have something to work off of" in your negotiations as far as payscales for 70+ seats. I have electronic copies of both if you are interested...

 

Point out the differences, please. Do you fly for ExpressJet?

 

Well NWA's ALPA negotiated the Compass Contract. I don't like the pay rates but it's just another sign of ALPA national letting down there pilot groups. ALPA national had to sign off on this. It still has many benefits over contracts like MESA ,Etc. Yah Air Wisconsin had a nice contract in 2001 but the contract today looks nothing like the old Air willy contact...pay, and QOL issues that resulted from the TA dramatically changed how the company was able to build lines. The company found many loopholes and today a Air Willy pilot (unless hired in the last 3 years) is likely a commuter who spends on average at least 5 nights away from home a week. Truely the only really nice contract in the regional industry from what i see is Horizon. Everyone has a long way to go to make this industry respectable again!!

 

No, I work for Air Wisconsin. I've posted the XJT 2004 CBA a few times before, so you can do a search and compare the two for yourself. I'd post it again, but for some reason it won't let me.

My impression of this Compass CBA is that it is very much industry average...which isn't unexpected or saying much. Specifically, I am disappointed with the crappy FO pay, 75% DH, Sick Leave policy, lack of medical reimbursement and 100 hour credit cap. I noticed there is no mention of cancellation pay.

It could have been MUCH worse though...and I'm glad they have an ASAP program out of the box.