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Old 09-02-2007 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by careerpilot
I think the staffing situation and pilot's attitudes have hit rock bottem. I am optimistic we will negotiate something better then letter 3. No current pilot who has been around for awhile wants to see letter 3 extended unless it calls for all hiring at American to come directly from Eagle with no conditional language. Are you an Eagle pilot? If so based on your attitude I would assume you did not send management an email voicing your concerns. If the union needs your help in the future it would be greatly apperciated. Attitude reflects leadership and since yours is poor we could use your help to show management we are not going to take it anymore. In my discussions with our union leadership it has been conveyed to me that management is very concerned with the current situation of the airline and realize that it better be rectified soon. We have Peter Bolwer and Gerard Arpey's attention and we need to keep it until our demands are met.
i am a pilot and find it amazing that for months and months our union WAS SCARED to do anything about staffing. now a change. expect letter 3 to continue as is, it is what amr wants.

i am one of the few WHO ACTUALLY FILED A GRIEVANCE for continual violations of letter 37 section C. have you? the union was scared of this because the company might park airplanes if proven to be understaffed. what has changed now?

the union complains on one side of its mouth about poor staffing then negotiates a pilot replacement program on the other side to get rid of the senior pilots (as part of the bain fallout). what is it DR and HM? the leadership of the union organized a recall of the DFW CA rep to solidify their reelection bid. they are part of the "win together work together" BS mentality and should not have been reelected.

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Old 09-02-2007 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cl601pilot
If american takes back all of their furlowed guys at the rate of 50 a month, it will still be 4 1/2 years before they will be hiring off the street. Thats if they even keep to 50 per month.
No way Jose.

AA should be seeing off the street hiring by the beginning/middle of 2009. At the current deferral rate, EVEN with the Eagle arbitration, we should be through the end of the furlough list by fall 2008.

The only thing that would slow that down would be unforeseen events out of our control. But believe me, they are going gangbusters getting everyone back.

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Old 09-02-2007 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
No way Jose.

AA should be seeing off the street hiring by the beginning/middle of 2009. At the current deferral rate, EVEN with the Eagle arbitration, we should be through the end of the furlough list by fall 2008.

The only thing that would slow that down would be unforeseen events out of our control. But believe me, they are going gangbusters getting everyone back.

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it must be nice to have the junior paisan back at AA. he was great to fly with at eagle, even though he was a steelers fan.
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Old 09-02-2007 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
No way Jose.

AA should be seeing off the street hiring by the beginning/middle of 2009. At the current deferral rate, EVEN with the Eagle arbitration, we should be through the end of the furlough list by fall 2008.

The only thing that would slow that down would be unforeseen events out of our control. But believe me, they are going gangbusters getting everyone back.

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Do you have any idea on what the deferal rate at American is. I hear at United it is running at 20%.
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Old 09-02-2007 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 320ToBearz
i am a pilot and find it amazing that for months and months our union WAS SCARED to do anything about staffing. now a change. expect letter 3 to continue as is, it is what amr wants.

i am one of the few WHO ACTUALLY FILED A GRIEVANCE for continual violations of letter 37 section C. have you? the union was scared of this because the company might park airplanes if proven to be understaffed. what has changed now?

the union complains on one side of its mouth about poor staffing then negotiates a pilot replacement program on the other side to get rid of the senior pilots (as part of the bain fallout). what the f@#$ is it DR and HM? the leadership of the union organized a recall of the DFW CA rep to solidify their reelection bid. they are part of the "win together work together" BS mentality and should not have been reelected.
It is my understanding that the union was gathering poor staffing intel, but kept it on the back burner until they could arbitrate letter 3 grievances. They wanted to address letter 3 grievances first because it would concern Eagle pilots going to AA, further increasing the staffing shortage. They felt filing staffing grievance would weaken their argument on letter3. After the letter 3 grievances went to arbritration they begun the staffing battle.

As to your second point the answer is no.

Your third point is a conspiracy theory which there is no evidence to support. The DFW captain rep recall was started by a flowback who was concerned with Tim's decision to call a unschelded union meeting in Herndon. This meeting cost the union a ton of wasted money. I have discussed the reason for the recall with this flowback. As for the pilot placement program that was Bain's idea. Why wouldn't the union get involved and try to help intrested parties move on to bigger and better careers.

There is no reason for us to argue. We are on the same team. Weather you care for ALPA or not it is in our best intrest to show a unified front. The only way the company will see this is for us to display ALPA laynards, pins, stickers, etc.. I have been an FO for 6 years and I am sick of making squat.
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