call in fatigued tomorrow, "hello mr./ms. scheduler, since you we're calling me all night, i didnt get any sleep. not going to be able to work today."

When on a layover is 10 or less, the company may only attempt to contact a pilot up to (1) hour after block i or one and one-half (1.5) hours prior to the originally scheduled or subsequently scheduled first flight of the day.

Now 24-33 of the contract under section 7 might apply since PAOK is a line holder.

CRJDRIVER would like to know if it's sexual in nature?

I will not answer the hotel phone for anyone...including the crew I'm with. Lunch/Dinner/Party arrangements are made face to face.

Only important people have my cell number. Crew Scheduling is not worthy of that level of honor.

Paok, my friend, directly from the contract:

24-M Contact of a Pilot While on a Layover or a Day Off

1. The Company may contact a pilot at any time:
a. In case of a personal or family emergency, or,
b. When the Company invokes the provisions of paragraph K.4. above.

2. When a layover is ten hours or less, the Company may only attempt to contact a pilot up to one hour after block in or one and one half hours prior to the originally scheduled or subsequently scheduled first flight for the day, whichever is earlier

3. If, on a layover or a day off, a pilot contacts the Company, he will only be given an assignment that would otherwise have been permitted under the provisions of this Agreement.

The reference in 1.b. (paragraph K4):

In unusual circumstances beyond the control of the Company and in order to avoid the cancellation of a flight, the Company may modify a pilot's pairing beyond the requirements set forth in paragraph K.!. above, provided the Company does not violate the applicable provisions of Section 12 regarding immovable days off, one day off in seven consecutive days and maximum scheduled and actual duty limitations and paragraph H5c above. When this provision is invoked, the Company will notify the MEC Chairman or his designee as soon as practical and advise him of the reason for invoking this provision. Additionally the Company will record the reason for the unusual circumstance and make such record available to the MEC Chairman or his designee upon request.
....end contract excerpt

Comair's philosophy that one available reserve left at the end of the day means there are too many reserve pilots has been a long time problem. Reserve pilots should be used to cover unforseen events...not operate the regular schedule.

Please everyone, learn the contract. It's there to protect you. All those hours spent sitting ready, waiting for the flight you're commuting home on, those wonderful three hour productivity breaks in the middle of the day, even the first fifteen minutes after reporting for work...all can be put to good use to learn the contract. It's in everyone's interest.

Fewer pilots allowing the company to violate the contract means more pilot positions are available in all seats and equipment...fewer furloughs and downgrades. The company doesn't violate the contract just because they are purely evil, they do it because it saves them money and makes managers' bonuses bigger.

Just last night, the company through their scheduling "professional" attempted to reduce my rest period to eight hours. Whether it was intentional or incompetence at work doesn't matter. If I hadn't known how to calculate rest requirements, and stood my ground while refusing their proposed report time, I'd have lost an hour of rest and violated a FAR.

All that said, Paok, and everyone, ensure you are legal for your report time in the morning before unplugging your telephone.

There are somethings that are vague so if you know the answer please enlighten me....

What if your rest is longer than 10 hours?

What is a circumstance beyond the company's control?

When does the MEC chair get notified and what does that mean to us/

Thanks,

The Chow

AND......

1. Paper or plastic?

2. Ford or Chevy?

3. PC or Laptop?

4. Simpsons or Family Guy?

5. Skinny or fat F/A man or woman?

Thanks. LOL

Question #1 is not addressed in the contract. I'm not aware if there is a side letter covering this, but unplugging the telephone resolves all ambiguity.

"Emergency operations" is a phrase that is used when the company invokes the provisions of paragraph K.4. I've seen it used a handful of times during my time with Comair. The great IT/Scheduling meltdown of Christmas 2004 comes to mind. A September 11th type event comes to mind. There have been other times, but I'm sorry to say I don't remember the details.

The MEC chair or designate should be notified as soon as the company decides to invoke the "emergency operations" provision noted above. In the past, the union has attempted to communicate this event through the VARS, though there's not a real effective way to disseminate this information to the entire pilot group in real time.

The main point of the requirement for the company notification to the MEC of the "emergency operations" provision of the contract it to create a record of the event which may be used for grievance/arbitration purposes, I believe.

The company can't realistically invoke the "emergency operations" clause of the contract when the staffing grid is red every day of the month, and when on bright, sunny days every reserve pilot is out flying. In these conditions, a few thunderstorms combined with an unapproved crew scheduling system can hardly be considered "beyond the control of the company".

Hope this helps, and sorry I can't offer more. Great job with the contract reference, by the way.

Know the contract everyone...the job you save may be your own.

1. Plastic obviously. I own stock in an oil company.

2. Previously Ford & Chrysler. More recently, Infinity.

3. A PC won't fit on my lap while I eat dinner. Need I say more?

4. Simpsons hands down.

5. Doesn't matter. I'm not interested in sleeping with any of Comair's employees. I just want to work with professionals.

Turn off your cell and unplug your room phone. Are they calling you within the limits of the contract? If not make sure that you report it.

I take it some at Comair had to know the contract (always a good idea regardless) because someone in management tried to give a pilot a career day? (termination) ? Comair allows some management types to do that?

That is unfortunate.