Comair updates?
08-13-2008 | 05:21 AM
#6831
Used to get weekends off
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: BusFo
I will not answer the hotel phone for anyone...including the crew I'm with. Lunch/Dinner/Party arrangements are made face to face.
Only important people have my cell number. Crew Scheduling is not worthy of that level of honor.
Paok, my friend, directly from the contract:
24-M Contact of a Pilot While on a Layover or a Day Off
1. The Company may contact a pilot at any time:
a. In case of a personal or family emergency, or,
b. When the Company invokes the provisions of paragraph K.4. above.
2. When a layover is ten hours or less, the Company may only attempt to contact a pilot up to one hour after block in or one and one half hours prior to the originally scheduled or subsequently scheduled first flight for the day, whichever is earlier
3. If, on a layover or a day off, a pilot contacts the Company, he will only be given an assignment that would otherwise have been permitted under the provisions of this Agreement.
The reference in 1.b. (paragraph K4):
In unusual circumstances beyond the control of the Company and in order to avoid the cancellation of a flight, the Company may modify a pilot's pairing beyond the requirements set forth in paragraph K.!. above, provided the Company does not violate the applicable provisions of Section 12 regarding immovable days off, one day off in seven consecutive days and maximum scheduled and actual duty limitations and paragraph H5c above. When this provision is invoked, the Company will notify the MEC Chairman or his designee as soon as practical and advise him of the reason for invoking this provision. Additionally the Company will record the reason for the unusual circumstance and make such record available to the MEC Chairman or his designee upon request.
....end contract excerpt
Comair's philosophy that one available reserve left at the end of the day means there are too many reserve pilots has been a long time problem. Reserve pilots should be used to cover unforseen events...not operate the regular schedule.
Please everyone, learn the contract. It's there to protect you. All those hours spent sitting ready, waiting for the flight you're commuting home on, those wonderful three hour productivity breaks in the middle of the day, even the first fifteen minutes after reporting for work...all can be put to good use to learn the contract. It's in everyone's interest.
Fewer pilots allowing the company to violate the contract means more pilot positions are available in all seats and equipment...fewer furloughs and downgrades. The company doesn't violate the contract just because they are purely evil, they do it because it saves them money and makes managers' bonuses bigger.
Just last night, the company through their scheduling "professional" attempted to reduce my rest period to eight hours. Whether it was intentional or incompetence at work doesn't matter. If I hadn't known how to calculate rest requirements, and stood my ground while refusing their proposed report time, I'd have lost an hour of rest and violated a FAR.
All that said, Paok, and everyone, ensure you are legal for your report time in the morning before unplugging your telephone.
Only important people have my cell number. Crew Scheduling is not worthy of that level of honor.
Paok, my friend, directly from the contract:
24-M Contact of a Pilot While on a Layover or a Day Off
1. The Company may contact a pilot at any time:
a. In case of a personal or family emergency, or,
b. When the Company invokes the provisions of paragraph K.4. above.
2. When a layover is ten hours or less, the Company may only attempt to contact a pilot up to one hour after block in or one and one half hours prior to the originally scheduled or subsequently scheduled first flight for the day, whichever is earlier
3. If, on a layover or a day off, a pilot contacts the Company, he will only be given an assignment that would otherwise have been permitted under the provisions of this Agreement.
The reference in 1.b. (paragraph K4):
In unusual circumstances beyond the control of the Company and in order to avoid the cancellation of a flight, the Company may modify a pilot's pairing beyond the requirements set forth in paragraph K.!. above, provided the Company does not violate the applicable provisions of Section 12 regarding immovable days off, one day off in seven consecutive days and maximum scheduled and actual duty limitations and paragraph H5c above. When this provision is invoked, the Company will notify the MEC Chairman or his designee as soon as practical and advise him of the reason for invoking this provision. Additionally the Company will record the reason for the unusual circumstance and make such record available to the MEC Chairman or his designee upon request.
....end contract excerpt
Comair's philosophy that one available reserve left at the end of the day means there are too many reserve pilots has been a long time problem. Reserve pilots should be used to cover unforseen events...not operate the regular schedule.
Please everyone, learn the contract. It's there to protect you. All those hours spent sitting ready, waiting for the flight you're commuting home on, those wonderful three hour productivity breaks in the middle of the day, even the first fifteen minutes after reporting for work...all can be put to good use to learn the contract. It's in everyone's interest.
Fewer pilots allowing the company to violate the contract means more pilot positions are available in all seats and equipment...fewer furloughs and downgrades. The company doesn't violate the contract just because they are purely evil, they do it because it saves them money and makes managers' bonuses bigger.
Just last night, the company through their scheduling "professional" attempted to reduce my rest period to eight hours. Whether it was intentional or incompetence at work doesn't matter. If I hadn't known how to calculate rest requirements, and stood my ground while refusing their proposed report time, I'd have lost an hour of rest and violated a FAR.
All that said, Paok, and everyone, ensure you are legal for your report time in the morning before unplugging your telephone.
08-13-2008 | 06:21 AM
#6832
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 438
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I did not mean to imply that, On Autopilot. I was attempting to reinforce what I'd written earlier that pilots who unintentionally allow contract violations because of "contract ignorance" reduce the company's need to hire and/or retain pilots.
Recently on the ad-hoc ALPA replacement board, one of us posted a mantra about not picking up any open time as soon as the first furlough occurs. I support this, but that said, pilots accepting illegal assignments unknowingly have an equal or greater impact on staffing levels.
Recently on the ad-hoc ALPA replacement board, one of us posted a mantra about not picking up any open time as soon as the first furlough occurs. I support this, but that said, pilots accepting illegal assignments unknowingly have an equal or greater impact on staffing levels.
08-13-2008 | 07:49 AM
#6834
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,163
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From: Aeroplanes
Thee RR crash course is:
Up to 6 in a month
Up to 2 in a row
Whole ready must be within your reserve window
Ready is up to 6 hours long.
Pay is 4:20, unless you fly more than that in that duty period
Departure must be within 1 hour of end of RR
If you are assigned a RR, then later a trip within the RR, you are released from duty until the trip (but not to rest)
If a ready starts before noon, it is considered a 1 day trip when determining who gets it
If a ready starts after noon, it is considered a 2 day trip when determining who gets it (not a contractual thing, but a scheduling guideline)
08-13-2008 | 07:49 AM
#6835
I have shiny jet syndrome
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 984
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From: ELACS, FACs and SECs. Who doesn't love 'em?
08-13-2008 | 08:02 AM
#6836
C21H30O2
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 356
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From: L/R or workin' the panels!
Page 12-14 and 12-15 sums up ready reserves.
Thee RR crash course is:
Up to 6 in a month
Up to 2 in a row
Whole ready must be within your reserve window
Ready is up to 6 hours long.
Pay is 4:20, unless you fly more than that in that duty period
Departure must be within 1 hour of end of RR
If you are assigned a RR, then later a trip within the RR, you are released from duty until the trip (but not to rest)
If a ready starts before noon, it is considered a 1 day trip when determining who gets it
If a ready starts after noon, it is considered a 2 day trip when determining who gets it (not a contractual thing, but a scheduling guideline)
Thee RR crash course is:
Up to 6 in a month
Up to 2 in a row
Whole ready must be within your reserve window
Ready is up to 6 hours long.
Pay is 4:20, unless you fly more than that in that duty period
Departure must be within 1 hour of end of RR
If you are assigned a RR, then later a trip within the RR, you are released from duty until the trip (but not to rest)
If a ready starts before noon, it is considered a 1 day trip when determining who gets it
If a ready starts after noon, it is considered a 2 day trip when determining who gets it (not a contractual thing, but a scheduling guideline)
08-13-2008 | 08:18 AM
#6838
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,434
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From: 1st year pay for the 3rd time
Somehow I don't think you're new here. Instead, I think you're a part-time comedian. Why don't you take your show to mesa board and see what answer you get there.
08-13-2008 | 11:21 AM
#6840
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 500
Likes: 0
I see the vacancy bid closes this Friday. Any idea when we will find out the results? Also, will the displacement bid immediately follow?
I also saw in the union E-mail from last week that the company said they would begin recalling furloughs (if any) in November. How do you all see this playing out?
I also saw in the union E-mail from last week that the company said they would begin recalling furloughs (if any) in November. How do you all see this playing out?
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