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09-28-2007 | 10:23 PM
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From: EMB 145 FO
Some facts of life:
1. The CAL pilot group ain't letting go of it's scope clause. If they did, I would call them all stupid. Everyone else should too. The only way you should ever see a 170/175 with CAL colors on it is if two mainline pilots are sitting up front.
2. CHQ didn't TAKE your flying at XJT. CAL took it, then put it up for bid. We got it. If we didn't get it, someone else would. Would you rather have a company with no union work those flights?
3. CAL will take more XJT flying. And they will probably give it to someone other than CHQ. And then you guys can all blame them for stealing your jobs. I don't think CAL is really interested in having all of their regional flying hinge on one or even two companies.
4. XJT will begin flying for other mainline carriers. They already started for DAL. I would expect to see them as front-runners in any RFP's should they come out. Of course, that just makes them closer and closer to being exactly what CHQ is now.
1. The CAL pilot group ain't letting go of it's scope clause. If they did, I would call them all stupid. Everyone else should too. The only way you should ever see a 170/175 with CAL colors on it is if two mainline pilots are sitting up front.
2. CHQ didn't TAKE your flying at XJT. CAL took it, then put it up for bid. We got it. If we didn't get it, someone else would. Would you rather have a company with no union work those flights?
3. CAL will take more XJT flying. And they will probably give it to someone other than CHQ. And then you guys can all blame them for stealing your jobs. I don't think CAL is really interested in having all of their regional flying hinge on one or even two companies.
4. XJT will begin flying for other mainline carriers. They already started for DAL. I would expect to see them as front-runners in any RFP's should they come out. Of course, that just makes them closer and closer to being exactly what CHQ is now.
09-28-2007 | 11:02 PM
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Thats exactly the point that several of us have made ( refering to otto's comment about pay )...........mainline mngt wont pay you guys 737 narrowbody rates to fly the 170 is substantially smaller....... the 190 Maybe is getting close.
I dont think any of us would want CAL to give up scope, otto is right, theoretically that might create more mainline jobs... but it might not.... mgt could just as easily let the gap in acft size remain... or have more 50 seat flying.... sorta like a mexican standoff in that case. I guess their theory on allowing 70 seat TP acft is that they cant/wont/dont have the legs that a jet could have with the same load..... couse with the new Q400's they are narrowing the speed and range gap considerably.......just some thoughts.
I dont think any of us would want CAL to give up scope, otto is right, theoretically that might create more mainline jobs... but it might not.... mgt could just as easily let the gap in acft size remain... or have more 50 seat flying.... sorta like a mexican standoff in that case. I guess their theory on allowing 70 seat TP acft is that they cant/wont/dont have the legs that a jet could have with the same load..... couse with the new Q400's they are narrowing the speed and range gap considerably.......just some thoughts.
09-28-2007 | 11:20 PM
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I'll be honest, I skimmed through most of this thread. But here's what I came up with...XJT pilots want to be ****ed at CHQ guys. Awesome. Go for it. I'm happy when I go to work, I'm happy when I get my paycheck, and I'm happy when I'm NOT getting junior manned. I have fun hanging out with my friends that do work for XJT. You guys want to have this "Holier Than Thou" attitude, that's your thing. I personally couldn't care less....
09-29-2007 | 03:55 AM
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. Whatever helps you sleep at night..
09-29-2007 | 06:42 AM
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I don't think you'll see CAL agree to 737 pay for E170 pilots. Economically it doesn't make sense. But if CAL paid 170 pilots what Air Canada does, then I would be fine with it. Flying is flying and every pilot group wants to keep it on their property. I think most guys at CAL, even the old ones know it would be a mistake to give up 70 seat airplanes to a sub-contractor. But I don't work for CAL.
09-29-2007 | 06:51 AM
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Air Canada is privately owned. Why shouldn't what Air Canada does effect what US airline pilots do? The US economy is larger and more robust than Canada's, the cost of living is higher in Canada but we all fly the same airplanes. I think you rejecting out of hand what another pilot group has achieved because you believe they are "socialists" is asinine and short-sighted. Just FYI, unions are not far off from socialism. If that makes me a socialist than so be it. In my opinion they set the bar where it should be. Now pilots here in the US need to man up and demand what they deserve.
09-29-2007 | 06:54 AM
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Air Canada is privately owned. Why shouldn't what Air Canada does effect what US airline pilots do? The US economy is larger and more robust than Canada's, the cost of living is higher in Canada but we all fly the same airplanes. I think you rejecting out of hand what another pilot group has achieved because you believe they are "socialists" is asinine and short-sighted. Just FYI, unions are not far off from socialism. If that makes me a socialist than so be it. In my opinion they set the bar where it should be. Now pilots here in the US need to man up and demand what they deserve.
How about we defend SKW's lack of a union with the fact that in the UAE unions are forbidden. After all, they fly airplanes just like we do.
09-29-2007 | 09:00 AM
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09-29-2007 | 09:02 AM
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09-29-2007 | 09:09 AM
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Did someone steal your stapler or something. Why are you still arguing this. It is Saturday, don't you have something better to do?
How about we defend SKW's lack of a union with the fact that in the UAE unions are forbidden. After all, they fly airplanes just like we do.
How about we defend SKW's lack of a union with the fact that in the UAE unions are forbidden. After all, they fly airplanes just like we do.
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