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Old 09-29-2007 | 04:18 PM
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Generally speaking, how do they split up backpay? I heard a former ASA employee say he was looking forward to back pay, but he works at Airtran now for at least the last couple of years.

Do they base the pay on what a Capt makes compared to an F/O (in other words if the F/O makes 40% of the Capt pay would he get 40% relative to the Capts backpay)? Does it matter what seat you're sitting currently, to what you were sitting for most of the negotiating time period? Does amount of time a pilot has been on property during the negotiatin period go into the computation?
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Old 09-29-2007 | 04:50 PM
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Sounds like it is a signing bonus. So if you don't work there anymore you get nothing.

Back pay would take the difference in pay-scales times hours worked, which doesn't sound like the case here.
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Old 09-29-2007 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
SKW has the lower cost between the two airlines but our upgrades aren't because of transfers. It's because of all the flying we've been awarded; between Midwest, DAL and UAL we've barely been able to keep up with upgrades and new hires. It's good that ASA got their scope otherwise JA could transfer a/c to SKW inorder to increase SKW Inc's margins. That's a huge win for ASA!

Like I said, ASA's new TA will not affect SKW upgrades. The only way that ASA could affect SKW upgrades is if we were to merge, and even then it would take years before an ASA pilot could take a SKW pilot upgrade because of fences that would be negotiated.

Not sure SkyWest really has the lowest operating cost. Look at reported profit margins in 06. Still my opinion that your ATL base will grow less than SkyWest management wanted and as a result the upgrades wouldn't come as fast.

(Operating Profit/Loss as Percent of Total Operating Revenue)
4Q 2006 Rank
Regional Carriers
4th Quarter 2005 (%)
1st Quarter 2006 (%)
2nd Quarter 2006 (%)
3rd Quarter 2006 (%)
4th Quarter 2006 (%)
1
Pinnacle
7.7
10.4
9.5
12.3
29.8

2
Atlantic Southeast
13.1
13.6
13.2
12.1
13.1

3
American Eagle
10.3
11.0
8.1
9.8
10.1

4
ExpressJet
10.1
9.4
8.5
8.4
8.3

5
Sky West
10.3
9.4
10.0
9.6
7.3

6
Comair
-0.9
1.5
2.1
6.8
4.6

7
Mesa
10.3
8.9
4.1
3.7
4.3

Seven-Carrier Total
8.9
9.3
8.1
8.9
10.0
245
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistics; Form 41, Schedule P1.2
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Old 09-29-2007 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Duty rigs: The agreement contains duty rigs that are 1 hour of pay for each 2 hours of duty up to 12 hours of duty and then 1 hour of pay for each hour after 12 hours, on a scheduled basis. The duty rig will apply to CDOs. The minimum day agreed to is 3.75 hours.

The way I read this is that if you are not scheduled over 12 overs of duty, you will not get the 1 for 1 if you go over 12 hours of duty. Do you guys read it that way?

If you were scheduled for 11:30 of duty and go 13 hours, you would not get the 1 for 1 after 12. Am I wrong? We all know how easy you can have your day pushed over 12 hours in the ATL on bad weather days.
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Old 09-29-2007 | 05:50 PM
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Duty rig is based on schedule.

The TA has not been released so nothing is really in detail yet. We should get details this next week or two and see if it is a good deal. Looks ok.

I think one thing is clear. The company finally decided that they needed to finalize a deal, and the union realized that it was time to get it done. It looks like we got a lot of what was asked for but concessions in some key areas.

This is food for thought. They SKW would never have agreed to scope protection if ASA was going to shrink. Hence I think a part of getting this done is allowing us to grow. Since our costs are in line and I think you will see a HUGE increase in performance now, it will be really interested to see what happens between Skywest and ASA. Skywest has enjoyed the run for the last few years now we will see how long that lasts. There are lots of rumours of new bases out west and new flying for ASA.

What I do know is that as a 32 year old 7 year ASA captain this is good news for me. I am just now waiting for my $10K bonus check
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Old 09-29-2007 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I just copied-and-pasted.

The way I read it is CDOs will pay based on the duty rig, not the min day credit.

BoilerUp, I realise you just cut and pasted. My comment was directed to the people who were trying to decipher this duty rig after you posted it. I am curious to see the actual language of the TA.
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Old 09-29-2007 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yellowfever
Not sure SkyWest really has the lowest operating cost. Look at reported profit margins in 06. Still my opinion that your ATL base will grow less than SkyWest management wanted and as a result the upgrades wouldn't come as fast. [/FONT]
Profit margins show the %age between cost and revenue. Those who have higher fees for departure will have higher profit margins, most of the time. DAL flying 3 years ago had higher profit margins than DAL flying of today. SKW's has more flying at lower fees for departure than ASA seeing that SKW was been awarded new flying during more competitive times.

I don't think you understand. Our ATL base has already grown as far as DAL has contracted us to. During peak seasons we currently have around 50 lines and off peak around 40 lines of flying. All of our "growth" in ALT was CR9 flying and we’ve received all the CR9's we’re contracted to fly for DAL; also we have no more CR9's on order. So how can our ATL base continue to grow if it's only contracted to be as large as it currently is?

As I've said, our upgrades will be completely unaffected by both ASA's possible new TA and our ATL base.

So understand this, we have no more growth on the books for the future other than the possibility of 10 more a/c for Midwest.

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Old 09-29-2007 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric3D
Duty rig is based on schedule.
...There are lots of rumours of new bases out west and new flying for ASA...
I haven't heard anything about "expansion" to the west. What kind of flying would it be and who for? ExpressJet got the coveted LAX...
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Old 09-29-2007 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
The way I read this is that if you are not scheduled over 12 overs of duty, you will not get the 1 for 1 if you go over 12 hours of duty. Do you guys read it that way?

If you were scheduled for 11:30 of duty and go 13 hours, you would not get the 1 for 1 after 12. Am I wrong? We all know how easy you can have your day pushed over 12 hours in the ATL on bad weather days.
You are correct. You must be "Scheduled" over 12 to get the 1:1; also if you're scheduled 13 and duty 14 you only get paid scheduled.
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Old 09-29-2007 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tyrael37
I haven't heard anything about "expansion" to the west. What kind of flying would it be and who for? ExpressJet got the coveted LAX...
US Airways I'd like you to meet ASA; ASA, US Airways. Mesa, hit the road! LOL!
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