Thanks Jed. I meant you can't have your partner callout airspeed/heading deviations like the last guy was talking about.

I will see about the DME though. That would really help. I agree with you about the check airmen. Wish I had them from day one as instructors. Barker was tough but I felt like I was flying with a Capt and not an instructor, very real world. Good learning experience, even though he ATR'ed me :)
Carpet dance tommorow. Very nervous.

how many ATR's is that? I mean whats going on how much time did you have before you went to training?>

I have a hard time believing the company says you can't use CRM. I thought call outs like that were standard, on every approach we make call outs "ref plus 10, sinking 6, on glide" as an example. very helpful in my opinion and i agree with saltydog in what sounds like an archaic mentality. my guess is you havent really even tried it and are just saying you can't do it.

I think whats going on here is when she is being observed they dont want her sim partner to fly the plane for her................if ya know what I mean

what's an ATR?

the most badass Turbo-prop around, well with the exception of the SAAB


ATR Additional Training Required

CRM calls asked for by a a PF of the PM is NOT Flying your airplane. Telling the PF to reduce power, raise the nose, etc would be flying the airplane. Simply providing data is no different than confirming FMS/Altitude inputs, etc.
I contend a bad message being sent by the checkairman/dept. You fly the way you are trained. Negative training follows a crew out to the line.
What is your AOM/FOM required calls at 1000'/500'? Any below MDA?
If not, safety is compromised.

Side Note

If you pull one thrust lever back like your walking them back to half of the width of the top of the other thrust lever then bring back the other one to match that will give you a change of 5% works great for small changes during approaches and steep turns.


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You do it or have your partner do it until the check airman/instructor stops it. Once on the line, you'll do it too, although a lot less often, like maybe once in a year. . . :rolleyes:

There comes a point when the PM might be making up for the PF's weak skill. Our training department does a good job with what they have to work with. If a crew ends up in a situation where there is an emergency and one pilot is incapacitated you still need to be able to handle the aircraft alone. I have flown with a couple of new pilots recently that I seriously doubt would get the aircraft on the ground safely by themselves even if everything else was working normally. The skill level and experience of some entry level pilots is not what it was during the "abundant pilot" times. I'm sure this will come to pass. For now regional training departments have their hands full. Multiple ATR's, 50-80 hours of IOE. A month of IOE? Come on. I flew with one like that... still couldn't land the plane without being coached, couldn't do a visual... and this is one that made it through. Imagine the ones they let go. It gets old. Sorry I started to vent.