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BoilerUP 10-27-2007 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 253326)
National / Jet carriers like SKW, XJT, RAH, ASA or any other are not going to pay mainline rates to fly 80-100 set aircraft. If the Mainline wanted that cost structure they would fly them themselves. Reality is that mainline carriers DONT want to fly aircraft that size, their eye is on LONG HAUL, INTERNATIONAL and HIGHLY profitable routes.....


NOW....can, will and should these carriers pay more for the likes of the 700, 900 and 170/175 ...yes... will those payscales ever equal what an equivalent mainline rate would possibly be... highly unlikely.

NONE of that precludes better pay and benefits and work rules. But the fact is that pay at THIS level will never equal the pay at THAT level.
Just one more reason folks need to get their head out of their arses and realize this ain't just an entry-level job anymore. Working for an RJ operator very well could be your LAST job, period...and with every CRJ-900 and E175 delivered that becomes more and more of a reality.

Pilots need to fight and be willing to make sacrifices (including striking) to get compensation and work rules requisite with the responsibility of flying larger aircraft...and if they aren't then they deserve every penny they don't get.

Bwatz 10-27-2007 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 253632)
Just one more reason folks need to get their head out of their arses and realize this ain't just an entry-level job anymore. Working for an RJ operator very well could be your LAST job, period...and with every CRJ-900 and E175 delivered that becomes more and more of a reality.

Pilots need to fight and be willing to make sacrifices (including striking) to get compensation and work rules requisite with the responsibility of flying larger aircraft...and if they aren't then they deserve every penny they don't get.

BoilerUp, as always, spot on. I think its shameful when people get excited about 900s for low pay.

Flyboy8784, I am in a state of hibernation my friend.... I do have the best advice.

HercDriver130 10-27-2007 09:46 AM

Well Said Boiler...... i voted to walk in 94(Flagship Airlines/Nashville Eagle)..... along with 98.5% of my brethern...... the union leadership thought otherwise and caved at the last minute..... I will walk anytime...anywhere......

Flyboy8784 10-27-2007 10:38 AM

Boiler....thanks for adding to the convo.....you are 100 percent correct as always.

For those of you who care.....I announced a very long drawn out "SCCCCAAAAAABBBBBSSSS" on the radio in ROC yesterday when lindbergh was tryin to call ground.

I was also flipped off by a few jetBlue pilots when i called there E190 a "REGIONAL JET" over the radio, when i was asked to taxi in front of them :D

I was in a bad mood though....broken ACARS...completely fried...blank screen...6 legs of old school w&b...and our left pack was out

BoilerUP 10-27-2007 10:45 AM

Believe me I like GoJets even less than most......but don't let your opinions negatively affect your professionalism. Go-Jet pilots might be scum but they did not technically SCAB.

Besides, completely ignoring a Go-Jet crew when they're trying to make small talk with you says everything you need to say without speaking a word...

saab2000 10-27-2007 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 253657)
Believe me I like GoJets even less than most......but don't let your opinions negatively affect your professionalism. Go-Jet pilots might be scum but they did not technically SCAB.

Besides, completely ignoring a Go-Jet crew when they're trying to make small talk with you says everything you need to say without speaking a word...

Like up in PWM in the hotel shuttle? :D

CaribPilot 10-27-2007 02:34 PM

Now I couldnt care less whether ASA gathers the Crj-900 or the Q400 or more ATR 72's. The whole flying the 900 for regional rates thing is not even relevant for me to speak on as i am new to 121 flying. This whole 'excitement' thing as some of you put it, is mainly for the growth of my carrier. The 900 comes into play because it was mentioned to me and it kind of makes sense. I could care less what i fly, as long as pay is fair, rules of engagement are satisfactory, and i have good QOL, i will be right as rain.:cool:

dba74 10-27-2007 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 253560)

We need to stop the bickering and pull together. You just can't expect to jump 30% right away on the regional level. After all, most of your pilots are getting around a 15-17% raise (Senior 200 & ATR CA's) with healthy raises across the board.

Speaking of pulling together, I am not "most" pilots as I fly the 700 and am being offered an insulting 1.0% raise (77 cents per hour). Keep in mind this pay rate applies to up to 76 seats now (9% more seats) so the pay increase would need to be 9% more just to remain the same proportionally. Also keep in mind that the large RJ's are where the growth is, and that 200's and ATR's are not.

ASA pilots on the 200 and ATR need to stand unified on this issue and vote no on the TA. Even if you are not willing to stand up for your own brothers and sisters on the 700, realize from a selfish point of view that if you vote no, the TA can ONLY GET BETTER!

One of the most basic rules of negotiating is to never accept the first offer.

flybywire44 10-27-2007 02:52 PM

Yeah my ACARS never works... Not to mention the FMS...

Tinpusher007 10-27-2007 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by dba74 (Post 253716)
ASA pilots on the 200 and ATR need to stand unified on this issue and vote no on the TA. Even if you are not willing to stand up for your own brothers and sisters on the 700, realize from a selfish point of view that if you vote no, the TA can ONLY GET BETTER!

One of the most basic rules of negotiating is to never accept the first offer.

Or DL can hand more flying to the likes of Mesa or 9E.


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