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Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo
(Post 254495)
The Top 700 guys only get a small raise but that raise plus the rigs brings them to the top on the regional industry. We need to get this one voted in, If we do we have a much better chance of getting new contracts and more flying. More flying equates to lower upgrade times and i heard CA's get paid more then FO's.
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106/hour with duty rigs? Tell me seriously who has higher rates?
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Originally Posted by dba74
(Post 254400)
Jetjock, I appreciate your support for ASA, and I appreciate you voting ALPA. Let me give you an example of my line next month and how my pay would actually go down with the TA. I fly 13 CDO's (or "naps"). Many have less than 12 hours of duty, but for sake of argument let's average 12 hours which would be 6 hours of pay with the new rig. 13 times 6= 78 hours or 3 hours over minimum guarantee. We currently have underblock pay which pays over the 75 hour guarantee when we fly a leg in less block than it is scheduled for. I usually get about 7 hours a month of underblock pay on top of guarantee, or 82 hours pay. Did I mention that underblock pay is gone in the TA?
Rigs are great, but we CAN have that AND higher hourly rates if everyone sticks together. SKYW is not hurting for money. It's time to get paid what we're worth. You’re saying that ASA builds lines less than 75 hours? I didn't know this. At SKW the least a line can be built to is 75 credit hours (not block). This is where our rigging can help. In September I had 18 days off, blocked 57 hours and credited 84. I then picked up open time and I was still home every day. Do you get Block or Better? Does ASA pay you more when you under block and over block? No, which do you spend more time doing? Just curious? |
ASA 10 year 700 Captain will make $81.44/hr. If he/she averages 12 hrs of 'soft pay' or credits that we used to not have (which is conservative I believe from talking to people from Skywest and ExpressJet) that adds $977 per month - or -$11,727/year to his pay. Now, add in the projected bonus, and agin I'll be conservative and use 3% of his salary....Adds approx $2,500 + to his/her salary. Now.......is this contract worth more than the 1% pay raise for 700 Captains? I think so.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 254980)
I can understand why the company wants you to under block. Excluding the obvious, it benefits them when they adjust your historical block down. Essentially taking money from you.
You’re saying that ASA builds lines less than 75 hours? I didn't know this. At SKW the least a line can be built to is 75 hours. Do you get Block or Better? Does ASA pay you more when you under block and over block? No, which do you spend more time doing? Just curious? I understand you guys are excited to get a TA after 5 years. Believe me, so am I. I've actually been here almost twice that long and watched as management found loopholes and creative interpretations to get around the exisiting contract. I know what they are capable of. After over 5 years we need to get all we can from them, not settle for the first thing that comes along. What I'm really baffled by is why the negotiating committee and subsequently the MEC went for this. So now it's up to us, the pilots to decide what's right. BTW, most of the yes votes seem to be new guys so I was wondering if anyone on here is thinking of voting yes that has been at the company say 5 years or more? just curious, don't take it the wrong way. |
Originally Posted by dba74
(Post 255019)
ASA has CDO lines that are blocked under guarantee (around 40 hours) but you still get paid guarantee plus underblock. On the 700 most legs are underblock, and it is hard to get overblock even if you try. The TA removes underblock pay which for me is around $500/ month or $6000/ year! Anything concessionary in nature should be avoided. I showed in an earlier post that the new 700 rates now apply to up to 76 seats (i.e. crj-900). So the company basically gets 9% more revenue (actually more because several of these seats are first class) and we get 1% raise. Not only is that concessionary, but we haven't even mentioned inflation or cost of living raises.
I understand you guys are excited to get a TA after 5 years. Believe me, so am I. I've actually been here almost twice that long and watched as management found loopholes and creative interpretations to get around the exisiting contract. I know what they are capable of. After over 5 years we need to get all we can from them, not settle for the first thing that comes along. What I'm really baffled by is why the negotiating committee and subsequently the MEC went for this. So now it's up to us, the pilots to decide what's right. BTW, most of the yes votes seem to be new guys so I was wondering if anyone on here is thinking of voting yes that has been at the company say 5 years or more? just curious, don't take it the wrong way. Best of luck! I hope SKW gets ALPA and we can start contributing to the efforts of others. It's going to be close. |
Thanks, and we support you as well
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Ummm, db74.....
Rigs apply to CDO's! Read up. They will be worth more than your underblock. |
Looks like you need to read up. I show the example several posts above.
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