VTcharter

Not sure that I agree with you there.

ATP Aeronautical experience requirements
61.159(a)5, "Not more than 100 hours of total aeronautical experience requirements of paragraph (a) of this section may be obtained in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents an airplane, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained in an approved course conducted by a training center qualified under part 142 of this chapter."

Also reference 61.129(i)1,2 / 61.109(k)1, 2 for the same basic allowance only for use toward Commercial Certificates and Private Pilot Certificates respectively, and in these cases, the sim time may be obtained from outside of a Part 142 facility. My interpretation of these reg's in addition to the lack of reference of the in-ability to log Sim time toward total aeronautical experience leads me to conclude that appropriate approved sim time received from an instructor / approved facility may be logged as total experience, however only a certain amount may be counted toward your ratings.

Finally, reference 61.51(h)1 Logging Training Time
"A person may log training time when that person recieves training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device."

It does not specify that it may only be logged as sim...only that it may be logged as training time, and as stated previously, only a certain amount may be used toward a rating.

MoonShot

I keep the "little red logbook" on the road and then transfer the times to my big lookbook at the end of the pairing (takes five minutes instead of having a mountain of time to worry about having to enter). In the big logbook, I have a line for each different aircraft per day (I use N#s). No plane swaps and I can put a four day in four lines (rarely happens though).

bizzum

You absolutely can log it. It goes in the SIM column of your logbook. You can use that time for the purpose of a certificate, but it is NOT part of your total time. Do you really want to explain that at an interview?

VTcharter

Not trying to be argumentative, but I just can't find where it says that it cannot be logged as total time. It does say that it may be counted as total experience, ie total time, under part 61 and therefore it is good as total time whether it is for certification or not. It just depends who is looking at the regs and how they want to interpret them. My point is that it is not illegal, just could be interpreted differently depending on who is doing the reg reading. If I was to go to an interview, I would just be sure to have enough flight time outside of the sim to meet the requirements and if they ask why I log it the way that I do, I would simply state the same references that I stated previously. They would either like it or they wouldn't...all I know, is that I would not be wrong, just under a different interpretation. The FAA has looked at my books many times, through type ratings and 142 courses, and never had a problem wth it, but I am sure that someday I will run across someone that does. Guess I already have!

el jefe

I agree. But the regs are hard to interpret most of the time

I log it as SIM time, but do not include it in FLIGHT time totals.

Unless the SIM has wings, an engine and I am not touching the ground, I don't consider it FLIGHT time.

down2mins

I do something similar. I print out my trip in the crew room and put the tail & ship # next to each leg as I fly, underline a airport when it's my landing, " * " it if it was night, and put how much was actual. At the end, I put the correct block times and if I did an approach. I'll collect them in my laptop case and transfer to my Jepp logbook at home once or twice a month.

CGreek

The palm Treo with the logbook pro sounds like a good idea, will it work?
I was planing on getting the treo 700 next week anyways

Seatownflyer

I use my trip sheet as well. Just circle the legs I fly, note if it was night/actual etc... When I'm done I go online to our company website and export the trip into a CSV file. Import that into Logbook pro, specify landings/actual/night etc... and I'm done. I haven't transferred anything to my big logbook yet. I'm dreading that. Although you can print out jepp style logbook pages in logbook pro, that makes it easy.

flyinDego

Sure do. I have been using palm logbook pro now for a few years. Love it.

Lalo37

Does anyone log approaches? I dont and the reason being we are instrument current as long as we do the sim every 6 months/1 year.
If I decide to move on to another airline, will they look at me not logging approaches as "bad"?