Pilots Fell Asleep During Approach To Denver
11-02-2007 | 09:44 AM
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I agree that drastic changes are needed. I agree the crews are pushed to the limit far to often. However, both crew members fell asleep, that is excusable. They are in command of the aircraft with other peoples lives at stake, not to mention their profession and fellow company personal reputation. Ultimately it falls on their shoulders to do whatever it takes to complete the flight safely, and not have both of them sleeping. I certainly understand how it can happen. Yet regardless of the regulatory changes that need to be made, all flight crews most take it upon themselves to manage their aircraft in a safe as possible manner.
11-02-2007 | 11:02 AM
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I am wondering how many of you work for airlines with policies that punish those who call in fatigued/sick. Some airlines, if you miss work for any reason; sick, fatigue, accident, car won't start, etc. you get an "occurence" after a so many occurences you get suspended, then after, I believe it is the 7th occurence in a year you are "subject to probable termination" This only applies to the pilots of course, management can stay home when they are sick. Hardly a week goes by that I am not flying with someone nodding off, or coughing and sneezing all over the place. Everyone wants to save a few extra occurances for those times that they are "really, really sick". This policy is all in the FAA approved FOM. The FAA knows if anything ever happens, they will just blame it on pilot error.
11-02-2007 | 12:23 PM
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I am wondering how many of you work for airlines with policies that punish those who call in fatigued/sick. Some airlines, if you miss work for any reason; sick, fatigue, accident, car won't start, etc. you get an "occurence" after a so many occurences you get suspended, then after, I believe it is the 7th occurence in a year you are "subject to probable termination" This only applies to the pilots of course, management can stay home when they are sick. Hardly a week goes by that I am not flying with someone nodding off, or coughing and sneezing all over the place. Everyone wants to save a few extra occurances for those times that they are "really, really sick". This policy is all in the FAA approved FOM. The FAA knows if anything ever happens, they will just blame it on pilot error.
Agreed the rules suck, but nothing justifies both crew members falling asleep.
11-02-2007 | 02:03 PM
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You better have a good lawyer and a fist full of cash to get your job back when you do....
http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7154311?IA...www.sltrib.com
http://www.sltrib.com//ci_7154311?IA...www.sltrib.com
With a union, that situation would probably never reach a termination to begin with unless the guy had been suspected of abusing fatigue/sick calls, but then the union would step in.
11-02-2007 | 02:47 PM
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I agree that drastic changes are needed. I agree the crews are pushed to the limit far to often. However, both crew members fell asleep, that is excusable. They are in command of the aircraft with other peoples lives at stake, not to mention their profession and fellow company personal reputation. Ultimately it falls on their shoulders to do whatever it takes to complete the flight safely, and not have both of them sleeping. I certainly understand how it can happen. Yet regardless of the regulatory changes that need to be made, all flight crews most take it upon themselves to manage their aircraft in a safe as possible manner.
11-02-2007 | 02:48 PM
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I am wondering how many of you work for airlines with policies that punish those who call in fatigued/sick. Some airlines, if you miss work for any reason; sick, fatigue, accident, car won't start, etc. you get an "occurence" after a so many occurences you get suspended, then after, I believe it is the 7th occurence in a year you are "subject to probable termination" This only applies to the pilots of course, management can stay home when they are sick. Hardly a week goes by that I am not flying with someone nodding off, or coughing and sneezing all over the place. Everyone wants to save a few extra occurances for those times that they are "really, really sick". This policy is all in the FAA approved FOM. The FAA knows if anything ever happens, they will just blame it on pilot error.
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