Pilots Fell Asleep During Approach To Denver

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11-02-2007 | 02:49 PM

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JetJock16

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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy

LOL! Try doing a transcon after a 3:30 sort sit flying night freight. I do "whatever it takes" by taking a nap in cruise.

All you have to do is coordinate it with the other pilot.

11-02-2007 | 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilot41

So it's OK that both crew members fell asleep and didn't answer any radio calls?

Agreed the rules suck, but nothing justifies both crew members falling asleep.

There is nothing in my post that indicates that it is OK for both pilots to fall asleep in flight. Re-read the post if you have to.

I was indicating that the FAA allows companys to bully employees into flying sick/fatigued. I can tell you first hand that this policy works, as I have seen a marked increase in the number of people showing up to work sick and fatigued after the policy was implemented.

I am curious to know what other airlines have these policies.

11-02-2007 | 07:08 PM

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Just proves how useful a union is. Alpa has lawyers and they will fight for you when you get into a tough spot. It will cost you 1.95%...i bet that guy paid well over 50k for his legal fight ( that would be over 25 years of dues...assuming you made 100k a year)

With a union, that situation would probably never reach a termination to begin with unless the guy had been suspected of abusing fatigue/sick calls, but then the union would step in.

It didn't cost him one cent, and he actually will get paid for 2.5 years of work when he wasn't doing anything.

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"I . . . find Fizer's antagonistic statements concerning the protected activity [when Douglas declared himself and his crew unfit to fly] provide circumstantial evidence of a retaliatory motive for terminating [Douglas's] employment," the judge wrote. Pulver said Douglas is entitled to back pay and attorney fees.

If he had not won, then you could have argued for greatness of the union. You just better hope you win a case like this if you don't have a union or you would be screwed.

11-02-2007 | 07:41 PM

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I've certainly flown at MAG sick as a DOG, ready to hurl, dizzy as hell. Why? Because I am NEVER in the mood to do the carpet dance if I was to call in sick and at MAG it is a guarantee you will.....especially at an out station.

11-03-2007 | 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rustypigeon

I was indicating that the FAA allows companys to bully employees into flying sick/fatigued. I can tell you first hand that this policy works, as I have seen a marked increase in the number of people showing up to work sick and fatigued after the policy was implemented.

I am curious to know what other airlines have these policies.

The problem really lies with the sheep that are actually intimidated by these intimidation tactics. As a group, union or no union, if they stand up to these tactics they don't work.

11-03-2007 | 06:41 AM

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I'm really glad that I don't have to work with you and/or use the same headset after you! This makes me mad when people show up to work sick. They should be at home. They make other employees sick by breathing in the same mostly recycled air, spreading their germs on the controls/knobs/etc., and using the same company supplied headset.

Show some assertiveness and call in sick. What isn't to understand about you're not legal to fly if you can't pass the medical that day? You put you, your fellow crewmembers, and your pax at unneeded risk. And if your company doesn't understand that it's not safe for you to be flying when you're "dizzy as hell", then it's time to find a new company! There's plenty of places hiring right now with good work rules.

11-03-2007 | 07:05 AM

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You need to man up, your letting someone intimidate you into something that is unsafe.

11-03-2007 | 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueMoon

You need to man up, your letting someone intimidate you into something that is unsafe.

I agree. If you're sick, you're sick.

11-03-2007 | 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by flyergurl

First of all I wear my own headset as to not "contaminate" the set on board. Second I always keep a huge stock of antibacterial wipes that I would use to wipe down as many things as I touched before leaving. Third if you've never worked at MAG then please keep your holier than thou comments to yourself. Its not so cut and dry. Oh and fourth I did move on to a better company.

11-03-2007 | 01:40 PM

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From: A320 CA

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Originally Posted by JetJock16

In my almost 2 years with SKW I've called in sick 9 times, all were honest except for 2.

Holy crap! That makes me feel much better, I've been at my airline for 7 months and felt bad calling in sick for the first time; and I really am sick.