How much longer for Mesa?
11-05-2007 | 11:45 AM
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SAAB, can you imagine what would happen to the public's perception of pilots if they started lobbying for an increase in ticket prices? The airlines would use John Q. Public as a weapon to beat down whatever proposal the unions made for an increase in fares.
It would go over as well with the public as Congress asking for a tax hike so they can increase their wages. Increasing ticket prices across the board would be a great thing but I don't really see how anyone could lobby for it without being burned at the stake.
It would go over as well with the public as Congress asking for a tax hike so they can increase their wages. Increasing ticket prices across the board would be a great thing but I don't really see how anyone could lobby for it without being burned at the stake.
11-05-2007 | 12:01 PM
#32
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I just did some looking on US Airways.com. I believe what I found will prove my point.
The fare (coach) from DFW to CLT is $248 round trip. Then I put in several outstations the we, Mesa, Air Wisconsin, etc fly to in the CRJ's (CHS, SAV, to name just a few). The round trip fares to those places was the exact same or even less in some cases! And these destinations required a connection in Charlotte. So essentially, the customer is getting a free leg from Charlotte to their destination.
As long as mainline charges these low fares, there is no room to pay these higher wages the union is asking for. If PSA doesnt get the money from mainline, what can they do? If they don't have it, they don't have it. Instead of just begging for more pay, the union should fight to raise ticket prices and then everything will fall in place. More revenue = more pay. If they continue to choose to charge these ridiculously low fares, then we will continue to recieve lower pay. However, there is a company that will always do it cheaper, so what do you do?
The fare (coach) from DFW to CLT is $248 round trip. Then I put in several outstations the we, Mesa, Air Wisconsin, etc fly to in the CRJ's (CHS, SAV, to name just a few). The round trip fares to those places was the exact same or even less in some cases! And these destinations required a connection in Charlotte. So essentially, the customer is getting a free leg from Charlotte to their destination.
As long as mainline charges these low fares, there is no room to pay these higher wages the union is asking for. If PSA doesnt get the money from mainline, what can they do? If they don't have it, they don't have it. Instead of just begging for more pay, the union should fight to raise ticket prices and then everything will fall in place. More revenue = more pay. If they continue to choose to charge these ridiculously low fares, then we will continue to recieve lower pay. However, there is a company that will always do it cheaper, so what do you do?
11-05-2007 | 01:38 PM
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Well, I do have a degree in Business. If I didn't love to fly so much, I would probably do something like that.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
11-05-2007 | 02:27 PM
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While making more money for the business would create more job security for the employees makes logical sense, logic doesn't equate to the airline business, and as a result, you helping the company may not directly help you.
Common business practice (at least in the U.S.) recently seems to be provide large compensation for the upper crusts of the management team, while the labor party suffers and works longer hours, for less wage than they would have made previously.
A good company on the contrary, might pass a long a bonus or two, give more days off, hire more workers to keep your time away from home low, etc as long as they're profitable. However, the majority of regional airline management (and mainline for that matter) are not inclined to think of their employees as anything but a bottom line that must be kept at a minimum cost to ensure maximum profits, not ensuring you get your piece of the pie.
Common business practice (at least in the U.S.) recently seems to be provide large compensation for the upper crusts of the management team, while the labor party suffers and works longer hours, for less wage than they would have made previously.
A good company on the contrary, might pass a long a bonus or two, give more days off, hire more workers to keep your time away from home low, etc as long as they're profitable. However, the majority of regional airline management (and mainline for that matter) are not inclined to think of their employees as anything but a bottom line that must be kept at a minimum cost to ensure maximum profits, not ensuring you get your piece of the pie.
11-05-2007 | 02:31 PM
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Well, I do have a degree in Business. If I didn't love to fly so much, I would probably do something like that.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
11-05-2007 | 02:50 PM
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Well, I do have a degree in Business. If I didn't love to fly so much, I would probably do something like that.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
My political and economic views just seem to conflict with most pilots. I am happy with the way things are right now. The more profit the company makes, the more the business booms. The better the business, the better the job security and pay. If I can contribute in any way to help the company make more profit, I will because it could mean more money in my pocket.
Oh, and I don't view management as "the other team" or some two headed monster that most pilots make them out to be. We are all one team that works together to make the company profitable.
After reading your comments I had to chuckle do YOU really think management have your best interest in mind.. Talk to Air Wisky guys about what management did to them, Talk to the comair guys who took it in the posterior all in the name of the company, if I remember right management went to the judge and pleded they needed cuts, to be competative in the mean time the company was profitable. My friend if you have not read this here is a Link get it read it
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/pro...283155&s=books
11-06-2007 | 06:03 PM
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From: ERJ CA
Well Tex, here we will have to agree to disagree. I'd turn this soundbyte on its head and say: The business world has to look at things from a humanist standpoint. Let the investors profit from our work, ok- but we must be allowed to share in that profit to a much higher degree.
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