Requirememnts to be a Chief Pilot
05-17-2019 | 10:23 AM
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05-17-2019 | 12:26 PM
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05-17-2019 | 02:18 PM
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05-19-2019 | 08:43 AM
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At the joint I work for, you have to kiss a lot of butt. A LOT. It is all about who you know and whose butt you have kissed and how well you have kissed it. It really has nothing to do with record or ability- I know of a CP who had a big time violation before becoming a CP. CP's make their buddies the asst CP, who then make their buddies the IOE pilots. Again, there is little to do with ability beyond the basics. In fact, I know of at least one IOE CA who is a total a$$ and has no instructional ability. Go figure.
N6724G, don't take what I said above anything other then a serious response as per your thread guidelines.
05-19-2019 | 09:19 AM
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How does one become a Chief Pilot at an airline? Do you have to have a Masters degree in business or something? This is a serious question so please only serious responses. I have never been one to sit and stay at one level. If I do become an airline pilot I dont jst want to fly for 20 to 30 years.
Regarding the sick example. I’ve seen them discharge a guy for alleged sick abuse (out sick 4 times in one year) and the guy had medical records showing verified treatment for illnesses that prevent flight. They didn’t even look at the records and just discharged him. He was back to work about a month and a half later.... but that’s the kind of people you’re working for.
05-19-2019 | 02:28 PM
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For professional organizations...
They typically but not always want experienced captains, typically also check airmen. Usually people who have been around a while and have credibility. I have seen rare FO CP's, but they are typically going to be retired Colonels, or have some other heavy-hitter management experience at a previous job.
To work your way up from line pilot, get involved in the training dept. as an FO (ground and/or FTD instructor), then get LCA and/or sim instructor as a CA. You'll want your name and face to be known to the bosses (in a good way). Volunteer for anything that comes up on the company side, LOSA, etc. Union volunteer work might help too, but maybe not if you're leading the charge on something contentious (there are plenty of non-contentious things the union does too).
For some bottom feeders...
Decline to join the union. Suck up to managers. Or get elected to the MEC and sell out a major contract. Good things will come your way soon.
They typically but not always want experienced captains, typically also check airmen. Usually people who have been around a while and have credibility. I have seen rare FO CP's, but they are typically going to be retired Colonels, or have some other heavy-hitter management experience at a previous job.
To work your way up from line pilot, get involved in the training dept. as an FO (ground and/or FTD instructor), then get LCA and/or sim instructor as a CA. You'll want your name and face to be known to the bosses (in a good way). Volunteer for anything that comes up on the company side, LOSA, etc. Union volunteer work might help too, but maybe not if you're leading the charge on something contentious (there are plenty of non-contentious things the union does too).
For some bottom feeders...
Decline to join the union. Suck up to managers. Or get elected to the MEC and sell out a major contract. Good things will come your way soon.
05-19-2019 | 02:39 PM
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Once a person decides to take that chief pilot position, or any other non-flying position at an airline for that matter, they slowly stop being a pilot. While they would be deeply offended by such an assertion, and can validly claim exposure to different areas of knowledge than a line pilot, the fact is they are really no longer a full time professional pilot. They are not out in the mud, the blood and the beer. Their daily tussles are of a different, more bureaucratic sort.
I am not saying it's wrong. If that floats somebodies boat, power to them. But it is a decision to leave the arena.
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