Requirememnts to be a Chief Pilot
05-19-2019 | 06:48 PM
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Personal opinion.
Once a person decides to take that chief pilot position, or any other non-flying position at an airline for that matter, they slowly stop being a pilot. While they would be deeply offended by such an assertion, and can validly claim exposure to different areas of knowledge than a line pilot, the fact is they are really no longer a full time professional pilot. They are not out in the mud, the blood and the beer. Their daily tussles are of a different, more bureaucratic sort.
I am not saying it's wrong. If that floats somebodies boat, power to them. But it is a decision to leave the arena.
Once a person decides to take that chief pilot position, or any other non-flying position at an airline for that matter, they slowly stop being a pilot. While they would be deeply offended by such an assertion, and can validly claim exposure to different areas of knowledge than a line pilot, the fact is they are really no longer a full time professional pilot. They are not out in the mud, the blood and the beer. Their daily tussles are of a different, more bureaucratic sort.
I am not saying it's wrong. If that floats somebodies boat, power to them. But it is a decision to leave the arena.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
05-19-2019 | 07:57 PM
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Personal opinion of my own.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
05-19-2019 | 08:33 PM
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Personal opinion of my own.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
05-20-2019 | 05:00 AM
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Personal opinion of my own.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
Tht point is well taken, couldn’t it also be said that one needs to be the change they want to see? Instead of sitting around and “hoping” for a pilot friendly CP or similar to get hired into a vacancy, why doesn’t one step up and do the hard work themselves? Pretty easy to sit back and complain from the trenches, and this is not directed at anyone in particular, but I’d posit that it’s harder to step up and be the guy / gal to say “I’ll do it, I’ll keep the culture going or work to improve it.”
As pilots we love to ***** about it, how many are ready to put their chips down to actually do a damn thing about it.
All valid points. There are many reasons one decides to move into some management position,of which some are admirable.
My point is that it is also a decision to no longer be a pilot. Unfortunately I don’t think that sinks in for many until after the fact.
05-21-2019 | 07:30 PM
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To other people saying all CP's / ACP's are evil, pilot hating company plants, maybe that's been your experience. I know the ACP I work under will go to bat for me at a moments notice. That's the kind of person I want in that role. If/when they move on, I think everyone in our pilot group would say it will be a big void to fill.
05-22-2019 | 07:28 AM
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Where our line guys either get 3 days off a week or are on a 16/14 homebased schedule, the CP is on 6 days a week only getting a break because CS has to give him the regulatory 7th day free of company duty.
05-22-2019 | 08:13 AM
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I guess that depends upon your airline. At our place, the Chief Pilot flies as much, if not more than a line Captain. Unless, of course, he's in the Sim doing instructing/checking or doing line checks.
Where our line guys either get 3 days off a week or are on a 16/14 homebased schedule, the CP is on 6 days a week only getting a break because CS has to give him the regulatory 7th day free of company duty.
Where our line guys either get 3 days off a week or are on a 16/14 homebased schedule, the CP is on 6 days a week only getting a break because CS has to give him the regulatory 7th day free of company duty.
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