all you low time guys on IOE
12-10-2007, 01:10 PM
#123
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
I would say teaching, night cargo, charter, crop dusting, part 91 corporate. basically anything single pilot that requires the pilot to make decisions for themselves.
12-10-2007, 01:56 PM
#124
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Originally Posted by AKfreighter
All right, I do agree with you!! I think the PIC requirement for and ATP is too low, isn't it 250? Maybe its 500 hours... Whatever it is, that would force people to at least have some higher time before getting hired into the airline world if they ever wanted to upgrade. What do I know though.
12-11-2007, 05:49 AM
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For reference:
XIX. For an Airplane Ratings:
Total Time - 1,500 hours that includes at least--
A. 500 hours of cross-country flying;
B. 100 hours of night time;
C. 75 hours of instrument time; and
D. 250 hours in an airplane as a PIC, or as SIC performing the duties of PIC, or any combination thereof, that includes at least — (See Note 10)
1. 100 hours of cross-country flying; and
2. 25 hours of night time.
Total Time - 1,500 hours that includes at least--
A. 500 hours of cross-country flying;
B. 100 hours of night time;
C. 75 hours of instrument time; and
D. 250 hours in an airplane as a PIC, or as SIC performing the duties of PIC, or any combination thereof, that includes at least — (See Note 10)
1. 100 hours of cross-country flying; and
2. 25 hours of night time.
12-11-2007, 01:13 PM
#126
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
That "mentoring" and "good Captain" stuff shouldve come from Lesson#1 prior to Solo.Like the original poster mention,This New pilots(some) cant even fly a VISUAL app.
Its us Captains that have to pay the price by babysitting this pilots on a daily basis.
Its us Captains that have to pay the price by babysitting this pilots on a daily basis.
12-11-2007, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by avidpete
Just interested in how much of your time you estimate you're babysitting the right seater... and wondering about some of the stories associated with that...
12-16-2007, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
well considering the guy who posted in one of the threads, failed the Piedmont written test, and he just got hire by Colgan with 360hrs TT, so I would expect some of these guys will be doing a lot of babysitting
Baby-sitting sucks. Don't think it only goes one way though. There's plenty of captains at regionals that need an FO to watch over them. I choose to believe that those captains won't make it to the majors, or at least won't until they no longer need baby sitting by the copilot. Maybe I'm living in fantasy land, but I like it here.
12-16-2007, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
Not trying to be a jerk but the low time guys just don't realize the experience you will never get because you skipped that step in your career. You wouldn't know what all you missed out on unless you gained that experience for yourself.
12-17-2007, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bornc7d
Why do you say low time guys, are you saying that 2000 hour flight instructor flying Seminoles is going to come out on IOE and nail every visual from number 1. Look at what you are complaining about new guys making rookie mistakes. Wait a minute that is redundant. Some of you captains it has been so long since you were new to jets that you forgot you struggled with some of that stuff too. Now dont get me wrong, I am not saying every low time guy or any new guy for that matter deserves a muligan in 121 but if you dont tell right there they will never learn and continue to endanger lives. There is a reason they put a captain on the plane.
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