flynavyj

180 to the marker? what, you're supposed to be doing 250....stop slowing me down.

FlyByCable

At $25/hr, I'd think that you'd want to fly as slow as you can in order to make as much money as possible!

ERJ135

Hey EGL, hows it going

Since you interviewed me in Feb mins have gone way down. Not surprising people are having trouble. Many Capts I fly with are complaining about low time guys coming off IOE lacking basic flying skills. Even my IOE check airmen told me some scary stories. FWIW during sim training we only did a few vis approaches. Most of the time was focused on GPS approaches. IMO they should spend more time on vis approaches and ILS work. In the NE we don't GPS approaches at all. I haven't done one since my checkride. Now I have go down in JAN for the prob ride and do these GPS approaches and kinda act like I know what I'm doing We either do ILS or vis. Now LOFT was funny. I had to do LGA DCA. I had to do the RVR vis 19 and it took me 3 times to get it right going in there. It was a nightmare. All the instructor had to say at the end was not worry, I get to do it for real next week So it seems they are letting IOE guys really teach the vis stuff. Thank god as it turns out the real airplane is much easier then the sim IMO. So far they been able to reuse the airplane evertime after I'm done flying it. Must be a good sign... hahe

saab2000

Can't fly the DCA river visual with the FMS. Just look out the window and fly the airplane.

Best flying we do.

Can't do the LGA Expressway visual on the FMS either. Or the PWM Harbor Visual.

I know that I couldn't do it when I started either. Just have them fly a pattern conservatively with a downwind, turn base at the altitude of the marker and turn in there. Works every time. Not too high or too low. R/A of about 1500 feet at 5 miles.

ToiletDuck

Maybe there is something in the training that's causing this or lack of visual practice.

bla bla bla

idk my bbf rose? lol.

No doubt that ioe is a learning experience. But a visual approach is a very simple maneuver. Imo someone who cannot fly this I.e. captain taking controls, has no business flying pax for hire. It’s not hard to add 1500 feet to tdze for your pattern alt, and plug in an ILS or gps for vertical guidance down. True no one will be Chuck Yeager on ioe, but this is core basic stuff.

sflpilot

It may be frustrating for the captains but eagle does not have much room to complain. They better cherish the guys they do get because honestly there are many better places to fly at than eagle and not that many people want to work there.

ChinookDriver47

I agree. They keep lowering their mins, but people are smart enough to go elsewhere where they don't have to sling the gear for 6 years to move seats. AE better get their **** together or they will wind up like...*ahem* some of their other less fortunate partners.

SharkAir

Exactly. My goal in life is to see just how slow the RJ can go. Too bad I'm not a captain yet and can't control the taxi speed.

hollingsworth

Visual approaches in the jet should be taught to runways where the ils is tuned to give new pilots a reference. Just have them transition their scan outside more and more with the electronic guidance as a back up. Eventually they'll learn the visual cues it takes to get it on the ground, on centerline and in the touchdown zone.