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11-30-2007 | 08:38 AM

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ExperimentalAB

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

I don't care if you ARE Chuck F*ing Yeager, I think I'd slap you, call you the little b!tch you are and turn on the dang autopilot before you kill us all trying to prove what a "real" pilot is.

Very professional. It scares me to think you might be just as professional in the aircraft.

11-30-2007 | 09:13 AM

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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.

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Curious...how so?? I haven't used the FD since IOE at TSA...boggles my mind that it would limit you like that.

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I fibbed just a little bit in my earlier post...on my first approach to mins I let George fly. I won't be responsible for a go-around when I screw something up. I will gladly give George the aircraft when safety of flight calls for it.

But to answer your question, no. I think it borders on irresponsible to use automation religiously. The two best Captains I've flown with flew raw-data almost exclusively. They were sharp as nails and I learned a ton on both trips. And let's be honest. I feel safer with my family on a ratty-old DC-9 or 727 with two crusty old guys who have never seen a FD or FMS...than one of our state-of-the-art RJ's. We Pilots today would NOT cut it 30 years ago...That's a sad fact!

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Hand-flying with the FD, huh? That's worthless - you might as well be on A/P then. If you can't maintain SA while you're hand-flying, you probably should use the A/P then. Good call on that.

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Safety statistics have improved greatly over the last thirty years because of technology like EGPWS, TCAS, LLWS Alerting, etc...NOT because we now have a FD crutch...is it now just a race to the bottom? Just because the Pilots of today CAN rely on new, fancy equipment, doesn't necessarily mean we should. I think doing so is lazy, irresponsible, and un-professional.

You can go ahead and and forget that you are actually a Pilot ::gasp:: I will continue trying to be the best Pilot I can be - managing a/c systems and components, hand-flying, SA, the entire package...

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Yeah, thats me

If you had actually taken the time to read my previous posts, you would know that I am certainly NOT anti-technology, but rather anti-band-aid/crutch. As I said earlier, automation should be used when safety of flight is concerned. NOT because we cannot handle the aircraft w/o it.

Are these the previous posts you are talking about? Where you refer to the FD and AP several times as band-aids and crutches, then proceed to belittle anyone who uses them as "worthless" (your words)? I guess I, and it would seem that most of my colleagues both here and on the line, look at those things as tools. I guess you would also consider a hammer a "crutch" for driving a nail rather than a tool? Tell you what, I'll use a hammer to drive my nail through a wall while you handfly yours through. Let me know how that goes. Have you ever stopped to wonder why an autopilot is required above FL290? Is it possible that the autopilot can fly the airplane far more accurately far more consistently than any human pilot? I don't use the autopilot/FD because I can't fly the airplane without it. I use the autopilot because I feel a true professional uses the resources available to them in order to deliver aircraft, crew and payload from A to B in the safest, most efficient manner possible. If that makes me a bad pilot or "worthless" than I guess thats your opinion. Whats that saying about opinions and *********s?

Seriously though, if you are that worried about losing your flying abilities with all these "crutches" and "band-aids" we have in the cockpit, then perhaps you should ask for some sim time where you can handfly anything anywhere to your heart's content. But in my mind, there is no safer aircraft than one flown by an individual or individuals who are using all the tools available to them.

11-30-2007 | 09:13 AM

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Thank you sky god. You make it sound like we all rely on these systems and would be lost without them, I wish we could all be as great as you. The new fancy equipment is there for a reason to increase the margin of safety, why not use it. Your job is to provide the highest standard of safety to your customers.

I somehow doubt your out there shooting approaches to mins hand flown without the FD, when it is operational. I'm all for throwing the autopilot off if it is nice and and we aren't going to be near the mins, but when the weather is down, the autopilot is going on, so I can monitor more and provide the highest level of safety.

11-30-2007 | 09:15 AM

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freezingflyboy

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Very professional. It scares me to think you might be just as professional in the aircraft.

In fact, I'm even MORE professional in the aircraft. If I think you're being a moron, I'll come right out and tell you.

11-30-2007 | 01:08 PM

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Ya'll might think I'm an arrogant SOB...I'm not. I think I just take a little bit more pride in my work than you do. I agree to disagree. You can fly an airplane safely both ways.

So this conversation is very much over. Not only did we hijack a thread, but we made it dumber. C-ya...